"payback"

[Joel S. Berson]

I think Victor and I are at the same shelf
now.  With a couple of minor exceptions.

At 2/29/2012 12:11 PM, Victor Steinbok wrote:
>This is probably accurate--can't really tell without looking at the
>journal.

True -- but for government work the Harvard record does say "Title from cover".

>Up to 1917 it was just the Journal of the Association. It
>became Asia--not sure if that was the full title, as it may well have
>been "Asia: The Journal of ...". Normally, Harvard records list
>cross-references to other titles for the same serial, but this Harvard
>record is isolated, as are some others.

The Harvard record for "Asia : journal of the
American Asiatic Association" (New York : Asia
Pub. Co., c1917-[c1942]) *is* linked to other titles.  Its record has
      Continues : Journal of the American Asiatic Association
      Continued by : Asia and the Americas
      Notes : Imprint varies: New York : Asia Magazine, Inc, -1942.

The Harvard record for "Asia and the Americas",
however, does not contain a "Continued by", just "Continues".  But see below.


>I would say this is far more
>unusual than GB's tagging a title on the entire journal based on only a
>few years that title was in use. In 1942 it changed the name and started
>publishing the Monthly Review of the East and West Association as well.
>I find it hard to believe that 1946 was the last year of publication,
>but Harvard records sort of indicate that it became "United Nations
>World", which is a bit odd, after merger with Free World and
>Inter-American. However, this appears to be correct, as UNW started
>publication in 1947.

Victor is I think referring here to the Harvard
record for "Asia and the Americas" (1942--1946) having a
      Linking notes : Merged with: Free world
(New York, N.Y. : 1941), and: Inter-American, to
form: United Nations world (New York, N.Y.).

That is, two journals merged, and the successor
was named  ... .  A bit more complicated than a
single journal being "continued by" a journal with a new name.

>(And I was a bit puzzled why Harvard's Yenching
>Library would not have the full set--filing under separate titles
>explains that, and the library does appear to have a full collection, as
>do at least two other Harvard libraries.)
>
>Whatever the case, the catalog number is HF3119 .A5

This is for the holding at Villa Tatti, Florence
(Biblioteca Berenson).  Somewhat nearer is the
Tozzer Harvard Depository holding, with call number
      L.SOC.120.35.4

>I am glad it is more widely available than I initially thought.
>Searching for a serial titled "Asia" did not appeal as a prospect, at
>the time, which is why I cut my search short. No excuse, I suppose.

I agree  :-)  Here a large library catalogue like
Harvard's has an advantage over
WorldCat.  WorldCat gives one 15,776 listings for
the title search "Asia" (that word alone) and
"Journal, magazine".  Harvard gives only 20, they
are in chronological order (ascending or
descending as you wish), and it's pretty quick to
find a journal with an issue in 1923.

(While the Harvard holdings are only accessible
to the privileged, or those who can obtain
letters from the privileged authenticating
themselves as privileged too, its catalogue is accessible to all.)

Joel


>     VS-)
>
>On 2/29/2012 10:58 AM, Joel S. Berson wrote:
>>Harvard says that "Asia and the Americas"\was
>>published "[Vol. 42, no. 11] (Nov. 1942)-[v. 46,
>>no. 12] (Dec. 1946)" and "Continues: Asia (New
>>York, N.Y. : 1917) ISSN:0891-3536".  So the name
>>changed in 1942, and perhaps again in
>>1947.  (Harvard does not have a "Continued by"
>>note, so perhaps it ceased in 1946.  [As ordered
>>by MacArthur?  :-) ]  Or perhaps the Harvard
>>bibliographers missed its next incarnation.  They
>>are not without error, as I have become notorious
>>for pointing out -- they know my name.)
>>
>>Victor wrote (see above):
>>   >  The journal had been published since 1898.
>>
>>Under a different title, "Journal of the American
>>Asiatic Association", which "Began publication
>>with: July 1898 issue; ceased publication with: Jan. 1917 issue."
>>
>>Victor also wrote:
>>   >  Only Brandeis and UConn carry the full pre-war
>>range in the Northeast. I've checked every library that
>>   >  comes up on WorldCat--all of them have only the war years.
>>
>>If Victor looked only for the title "Asia and the
>>Americas", which WorldCat lists as 1942-1946, he
>>might not have found other libraries, those
>>listing the title as "Asia: Journal of the
>>American Asiatic Association".  But when I search
>>WorldCat for "Asia and the Americas", the 3rd
>>listing is "Asia : journal of the American
>>Asiatic Association. by American Asiatic
>>Association.", "Publisher: New York : Asia Pub.
>>Co., ©1917-[©1942]" -- that is, including the
>>year 1923.  Clicking on that brings up as the
>>first library "Harvard College Library";
>>following that will show that Tozzer holds 1923.
>>
>>Fortunately, I did not need to search the
>>additional 27 libraries in the Northeast (if that
>>means New England) that might also hold the 1923
>>issue.  But it's not only Victor's Brandeis and
>>UConn that claim to hold 1923 -- in addition to
>>Harvard, the MIT library also holds 1923.  And
>>there might be others -- I didn't check further.
>>
>>I still believe Google's metadata is faulty -- it
>>gives a title for a 1923 issue of a journal that
>>did not use that title in 1923.
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