Barney Rubble. ---was: dime

[Dan Goncharoff]

Is it still Cockney rhyming slang if proper cockneys never said it?


DanG


On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Cohen, Gerald Leonard <gcohen at mst.edu>wrote:

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> But this *is* Cockney(-style) rhyming slang.  Very much so.  There's the
> rhyme, the shortening ("Barney" from "Barney Rubble," just like "butcher's"
> from "butcher's hook" = a look, e.g. "Take a butcher's at this."
> And occasionally Cockney rhyming slang has a semantic justification too,
> e.g. "apples and pears" (stairs),
> with the imagery of a fruit stand in which the fruit is arranged in a
> graded fashion, like stairs.
>
> Gerald Cohen
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> Message from Wilson Gray,  Thu 1/5/2012 8:22 PM:
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> This isn't Cockney(-style?) rhyming slang, then?
>
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> -Wilson
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> All say, "How hard it is that we have to die!"---a strange complaint
> to come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
> -Mark Twain
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> On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 9:05 PM, Cohen, Gerald Leonard <gcohen at mst.edu>
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> > But "Barney Rubble" does seem to make sense. Â He's the character in the
> Flinststones cartoons, and from the little I remember of them, Barney was
> always getting into trouble. Â Or do I remember it wrong?
> > Gerald Cohen
> >
> > Original message from Victor Steinbok, Thu 1/5/2012 12:47 AM:
> > <snip>
> > To me, this makes about as much sense as the following exchange in, I
> > believe, Oceans Eleven:
> > "You're in Barney."
> > "Say what?"
> > "Barney--Barney Rubble... You're in trouble. Get it?"
> > "No."
> >
> > Or something like that...
> >
> > This is no longer a singular case of "in Barney"
> >
> > http://goo.gl/F8rWg
> >>
> >> Â  Â  <name> pulls a bone shard out of the organ grinder and stabs him
> >> Â  Â  for X damage, shouting "Stick that up yer Khyber, ya chav!".
> >> Â  Â  <name> says "You're in Barney now!" and scrapes all the grease off
> >> Â  Â  the bottom of his pie oven, then smears it on her for X damage.
> >>
> >
> > http://goo.gl/wMtaq
> >> Jabba you're in Barney! Rubble! Trouble!!! (different movie reference!)
> >
> > http://goo.gl/YFOVy
> >> All of you familiar with the original Getaway will be even more
> >> impressed with the sequel. All of you who did not enjoy the original,
> >> well, you're in Barney.
> >> ...Barney Rubble. Trouble! Fuckit.
> >
> > http://goo.gl/vslbu
> >> Lesson Learned: If you're in "barney," you're in trouble.
> >
> > This hidden rhyming euphemism still makes no sense to me. But I hear
> > it's popular in London (at least two separate sources suggest this!).
> >
> > VS-)
> >
> >
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