"au jus" (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Laurence Horn]

On Jan 27, 2012, at 1:57 AM, Tom Zurinskas wrote:

> In truespel as heard by clicking the speaker icon at thefreedictionary.com "luge" is ~luezh and "luger" is ~lueger

Um, I believe the latter is for the word referring to the gun of that name, not to someone who luges.

LH
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> Tom Zurinskas, Conn 20 yrs, Tenn 3, NJ 33, now Fl 9.
> See how English spelling links to sounds at http://justpaste.it/ayk
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>> How would you spell "luge" and "luger", Tom?
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>> VS-)
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>> PS: Can we add casual and exposure to the list, along with seizure,
>> occasion/occasional, lesion, collision, precision, elision, erosion,
>> engine? All but "casual" and "elision" had migrated from French
>> complete with the [Z]. On the other hand, I was surprised to find the
>> OED list fissure and fission with [S] rather than [Z], thus making
>> fissure homonymous with fisher. From physicists--and physics
>> students--I've heard it, most of my life, as [Z]. But I checked with a
>> couple of "informants" and they do differentiate between fissure and
>> fisher, although it involves un-English lengthening of the [S]. Are
>> there any other English words (not necessarily originating in English in
>> some form) that involve using [SS] in the middle? Another one that I
>> always hear more vocalized than dictionaries list it is torsion.
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>> Another anomaly is cringe--OED lists both [Z] and [dZ] variants for
>> British, but only [dZ] for US. Hinge, Fringe, lunge, binge, singe and
>> linge all have /only/ [dZ] listed. Range is like cringe, but grange and
>> derange(d/ment) are like the rest. I'll let you figure out which way
>> mange/mangy fall (from French!--but so is derangement).
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>> Another odd cluster: artesian, Malaysian, Malthusian and Cartesian,
>> although the last three differ between US and UK (and even within US and
>> UK). Transient is listed in OED with [s], [z], [S] and [Z], not to
>> mention vowel variations. The point is not to find all the instances
>> (oh, look! I missed "illusion"!), but to dismiss the idea that the sound
>> is particularly unusual. And who is to say that "Anglo-Norman" is not
>> "English"?
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>> On 1/25/2012 11:46 PM, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
>>> Indeed. The letter "s" is by far the most used letter in English to spell the ~zh sound as in "measure" ~mezher. But the letter "s" is 60 times more likely to spell another sound, ~s. See truespel book 4.
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