How to say "either" and "neither"

Mon Apr 22 17:47:26 UTC 2013

And his son, George II, is the one who is supposed to have stood for the Hallelujah Chorus. Apparently another King-copying myth, but a cute one.

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> I was told a story when I was in grade school by my English teacher,
> I
> forget which one, about the genesis of /ai/-ther. It's almost
> certainly
> apocryphal, but I find it interesting nonetheless. She said that it
> had
> been /i/-ther for centuries, but when the Hanover kings came to
> England, so
> I guess like starting with George I, they were German speakers and
> interpreted as /ai/-ther and then everyone copied them. The reason I
> find
> this tale interesting is that there's a similar, almost certainly
> apocryphal story about the prevalence of /theta/ in Castillian
> Spanish,
> where everybody started copying a king.

> BT

> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 6:34 AM, Barbara Need <bhneed at gmail.com>
> wrote:

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> > And in eighth grade, in Andover, MA (a long time ago), I used the
> > "UK"
> > pronunciation and was called on it by a classmate=97and I replied,
> > "You
> > can pronounce it [ai]ther way." I have not tracked my use over the
> > years, but I suspect the UK pronunciation predominates, but I
> > might,
> > sometimes, use the "US" one. Language varies; that is what makes it
> > interesting.
> >
> > Barbara
> > Etna
> >
> > On 22 Apr 2013, at 6:36 AM, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
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> > > Interestingly, thefreedictionary.com has the word "either" spoken
> > > in
> > > US as ~eether and in UK as EYE-ther ~iether (~ie as in "tie"). I
> > > noticed that Rachael Maddow who was raised in California says
> > > ~iether. But she got her political science doctorate at Oxford,
> > > where it would be ~iether.
> > >
> > > I think prez Obama says ~iether as well.
> > >
> > > I wonder what "unnatural" sounds like.
> > http://www.manythings.org/audio/sentences/256.html
> > >
> > > Interesting "dialect blog" site http://dialectblog.com/
> > >
> > >
> > > Tom Zurinskas, Conn 20 yrs, Tenn 3, NJ 33, now Fl 9.
> > > See how English spelling links to sounds at
> > > http://justpaste.it/ayk
> > >
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> > >> On Apr 21, 2013, at 11:06 PM, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Several times on TV news for "either" I've been hearing
> > >>> EYE-ther
> > >>> instead of EE-ther which is what the dictionaries say is US
> > >>> accent
> > >>> and what I'm used to. Is someone promoting EYE-ther. Perhaps
> > >>> UK.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> I'd say invest in some new dictionaries. The ones I have list
> > >> both
> > >> pronunciations; either seems natural to me. The /i/
> > >> pronunciation
> > >> is more frequent in the U.S. to be sure, but variation doesn't
> > >> mean
> > >> a plot, or even a promotion campaign. Maybe, as the song
> > >> suggests,
> > >> you could call the whole thing off.
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