Q: "Crossword" needs another definition in the OED?

[Dan Goncharoff]

When I look at the St. Nicholas "Riddle" pages, I see many puzzles that use
"cross-words" but are NOT acrostics. (There are also acrostics, so named,
to be found there.) The "enigma" puzzle is an example, and there are others.

DanG


On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Joel S. Berson <Berson at att.net> wrote:

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> Dan's comment will require further research, but it suggests that the
> OED needs to add another definition for the word "cross-word".
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> As Dan says, St. Nicholas magazine uses the word "cross-word" to
> refer to clues in puzzles.  I think those puzzles were then (and
> probably still are) called "acrostics".  (For such puzzles, the OED
> has under "acrostic" an 1861 quotation.)  But St. Nicholas does not,
> I think, refer to filling-in-the-grid puzzles.
>
> The OED has for "cross-word" only the meaning "crossword puzzle"; it
> seems to need another for "clues used in acrostic (or other types of
> word) puzzles".  Perhaps this is limited to the hyphenated form.
>
> Joel
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> At 2/7/2013 11:08 AM, Dan Goncharoff wrote:
> >The term "cross-word" was used in the St. Nicholas children's magazine to
> >refer to the clues in various forms of word puzzle well before 1913. They
> >may not have involved filling in squares, but the "puzzles" did depend on
> >clues called "cross-words" for the words, as well as placement.
> >
> >St. Nicholas is available in GB.
> >
> >DanG
> >
> >
> >On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Joel S. Berson <Berson at att.net> wrote:
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> > > Poster:       "Joel S. Berson" <Berson at ATT.NET>
> > > Subject:      Re: Antedating of "Crossword" (Courtesy of Mr. Will
> Shortz)
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> > > 1)  Mr. Will Shortz is, of course, the cross-word-puzzle editor of
> > > the New York Times.  (To forestall Larry, not the cross word-puzzle
> > > editor.)
> > >
> > > 2)   Mr. Shortz wrote his "college thesis" on early American word
> puzzles.
> > >
> > > 3)   Surely we need look no further back than 1913 Dec. 21, since the
> > > fourth weekly puzzle appeared on Jan. 11, 1914.  And FUN was clearly
> > > searching for the right word to coin.  (That is, I infer that no-one
> > > else had used the word "cross-word" previously.)
> > >
> > > But might we find "cross-word" (literally) one week earlier in the so
> > > far unrevealed Dec. 28 issue?
> > >
> > > 4)  Was the 19th-century "cross word puzzle" an acrostic puzzle?  I
> > > note from a quotation in the OED that by 1928 both terms were in use,
> > > apparently to distinguish them from each other:
> > > 1928   Syracuse (N.Y.) Herald 19 Mar. 20/5   Cross word puzzles,
> > > acrostics and word ladders are the fads of the day.
> > >
> > > Joel
> > >
> > > At 2/7/2013 06:30 AM, Shapiro, Fred wrote:
> > > >The following information was graciously supplied to me by Mr. Will
> > > Shortz:
> > > >
> > > >crossword (OED Dec. 1914)
> > > >
> > > >[1913 _New York World_ 21 Dec. (Fun section) 14  FUN'S Word-Cross
> Puzzle.]
> > > >[1914 _New York World_ 4 Jan. (Fun section) 8  Find the Missing Cross
> > > Words.]
> > > >1914 _New York World_ 11 Jan. (Fun section) 12  Fun's Cross-Word
> > > >Puzzle. ... The fourth in Fun's series of new cross word puzzles is
> > > >given herewith.
> > > >
> > > >NOTE:  In addition to the information supplied by Will Shortz, it
> > > >should be noted that the term "cross word puzzle" was used in the
> > > >19th century for a different kind of puzzle, not involving squares
> > > >to be filled in.  The earliest I find this in some quick research is
> > > >in _Merry's Museum for Boys and Girls_, Sept. 1871, page 145
> > > >(American Periodical Series).
> > > >
> > > >Fred Shapiro
> > > >Editor
> > > >YALE BOOK OF QUOTATIONS (Yale University Press)
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