NYC's Upper, Lower, and mid- East Sides

[Jesse Sheidlower]

No, there isn't. It's not part of Turtle Bay. It's also not really
residential.

Jesse Sheidlower
OED

On Mon, Jan 07, 2013 at 01:08:14PM -0500, Joel S. Berson wrote:
> Is there a name for the neighborhood that includes 48th Street
> between Fifth and Lexington?  "Turtle Bay" seems to be commonly
> defined as "east of Lexington".
>
> Joel
>
> At 1/7/2013 12:15 PM, Jesse Sheidlower wrote:
> >As a twenty-year resident of Midtown East (or East Midtown), I can
> >assure you that it is a real neighborhood and that is really called
> >that. There are other neighborhoods in the area (including the ones you
> >mentioned, as well as Kips Bay and more diffuse things like "the Sutton
> >Place area") too. Agreed that the UES starts at 60th and goes to 96th,
> >with its own subneighborhoods (Yorkville, Carnegie Hill, etc. etc.).
> >
> >Nowadays--by which I mean at least the last 20 years--the LES is
> >regarded as a separate neighborhood from the East Village (or its
> >subneighborhoods, like NoHo, Alphabet City, etc.) It would be really
> >unusual to regard the East Village as part of the LES. I'd agree that
> >the LES would refer to the below-Houston, east-of-Allen area (north of,
> >say, East Broadway).
> >
> >Maryam Bakht, at Hunter, sent out a questionnaire last month about these
> >exact issues. I don't know if she's published the results.
> >
> >Jesse Sheidlower
> >OED
> >
> >On Mon, Jan 07, 2013 at 05:56:20PM +0100, Michael Newman wrote:
> >> For me:
> >>
> >> The Upper East Side is from 60th to 96th. Above that is East
> >Harlem. East Side is just a vague way of saying east of 5th Avenue
> >above Washington Square and Bway below it. There is no neighborhood
> >called "The East Side"
> >> The Lower East Side is ambiguous. Some days it's below 14th St,
> >but other days the East Village gets in the way, and in that case,
> >it's below Houston and east more or less of Allen. The question is
> >whether I consider the East Village part of the LES, which is a
> >variable for me. Actually, Kara Becker has a great discussion of
> >this in her 2010 NYU Diss, which I hope she publishes one day. The
> >basic idea is that the whole East Village area was once part of the
> >LES until real estate interests promoted the name East Village
> >during the late 60s if I remember right. As far as I know the Upper
> >East Side hasn't changed in my lifetime.
> >>
> >> There is no Mid East Side. There is talk now of Midtown East, but
> >that seems recent to me. Traditional names are Turtle Bay, Gramercy
> >Park, and Murray Hill, all of which are distinct neighborhoods, all
> >of which are in what might be thought of generally as Midtown East.
> >>
> >> BTW, the Upper West Side goes right up to about 110st, and of
> >course there is no Lower West Side.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Michael Newman
> >> Associate Professor of Linguistics
> >> Queens College/CUNY
> >> michael.newman at qc.cuny.edu
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 7, 2013, at 5:18 PM, "Joel S. Berson" <Berson at ATT.NET> wrote:
> >>
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> >> > Subject:      NYC's Upper, Lower, and mid- East Sides
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> >> >
> >> > Where did New Yorkers use to place, and where do they now place --
> >> >
> >> > the Upper East Side?  Do I correctly remember a definition of "above
> >> > 96th Street"?
> >> >
> >> > the Lower East Side?  Below what?
> >> >
> >> > the mid East Side?  And what term is used for that region?  (Aside
> >> > from "the fashionable East Side".)
> >> >
> >> > Joel
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