Earliest Known Occurrence of the Term "Hot Dog" Pushed Back to 1886, (Corrected Citation)

[Joel S. Berson]

At 1/22/2013 10:07 AM, Dan Goncharoff wrote:
>Isn't that what the basket was for? The rolls?
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>>the fiend who carries in one hand a tin cooking arrangement, and on the
>>other arm a basket.

Where did the fiend carry the yet-to-be-cooked wursts? In the "tin
cooking arrangement"? (And if there were no rolls, I suspect not
wrapped in wax paper -- see below -- but, like fish and chips, in
probably-cheaper newspaper -- after all, it was called the "penny press".)

Joel


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>On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Jonathan Lighter
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> > Good point, Amy.  And  no rolls are mentioned. Were the dogs sold wrapped
> > in waxed paper?
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> > On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Amy West <medievalist at w-sts.com> wrote:
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> > > On 1/22/13 12:03 AM, Automatic digest processor wrote:
> > > > Date:    Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:17:53 +0000
> > > > From:    "Shapiro, Fred"<fred.shapiro at YALE.EDU>
> > > > Subject: Earliest Known Occurrence of the Term "Hot Dog" Pushed Back to
> > > 1886
> > > >           (Corrected Citation)
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> > > > The Tennessee provenance of the term "hot dog" now seems stronger, as I
> > > have found an 1886 citation from that state:
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> > > > hot dog (OED 1892)
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> > > > 1886_Nashville Tennessean_  14 Nov. 9/2 (ProQuest Historical
> > Newspapers)
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> > > > "Hot stuff," "hot pup," "hot dog," sings out the fiend who carries in
> > > one hand a tin cooking arrangement, and on the other arm a basket.
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> > > >    Wiener means little and generally speaking, the purchaser gets a
> > > little the wurst of it.  (No diagram of this joke.)  Wurst means, in
> > > English, sausage; so that when one of these peddlers says wiener wurst to
> > > you he means do you want a little sausage.  The tin vessel which he
> > carries
> > > is divided into two compartments.  The upper is filled with water, in
> > which
> > > are about a thousand, more or less, skin sausages.  In the lower
> > apartment
> > > is the alcohol stove that keeps the sausages hot.
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> > > Here's what intrigues me: the equivalence of "wiener" with little. Are
> > > they falsely analogizing by/playing on "wee"? They get "wurst" right, so
> > > something's going on with "wiener." And the mention of "a thousand" may
> > > be exaggeration, but still indicates a small size. So, I'm inferring
> > > that in this appearance, they're very much like what we still call
> > > "Vienna sausages".
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> > > ---Amy West
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