Earliest Known Occurrence of the Term "Hot Dog" Pushed Back to 1886, (Corrected Citation)

[David A. Daniel]

The sausages are in the top part of the cooking thing, in the water, being
or to be cooked, the alcohol burner being in the lower part. Basket gotta be
for buns. BTW, snub is buns spelled backwards.
DAD


To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
Subject: Re: Earliest Known Occurrence of the Term "Hot Dog" Pushed Back to
1886, (Corrected Citation)

Poster:       "Joel S. Berson" <Berson at ATT.NET>
Subject:      Re: Earliest Known Occurrence of the Term "Hot Dog" Pushed
Back
              to 1886, (Corrected Citation)
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At 1/22/2013 10:07 AM, Dan Goncharoff wrote:
>Isn't that what the basket was for? The rolls?
>
>>the fiend who carries in one hand a tin cooking arrangement, and on the
>>other arm a basket.

Where did the fiend carry the yet-to-be-cooked wursts? In the "tin
cooking arrangement"? (And if there were no rolls, I suspect not
wrapped in wax paper -- see below -- but, like fish and chips, in
probably-cheaper newspaper -- after all, it was called the "penny press".)

Joel


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>DanG
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>On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Jonathan Lighter
><wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>wrote:
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> > Subject:      Re: Earliest Known Occurrence of the Term "Hot Dog" Pushed
> > Back
> >               to 1886, (Corrected Citation)
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> > Good point, Amy.  And  no rolls are mentioned. Were the dogs sold
wrapped
> > in waxed paper?
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> > JL
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Amy West <medievalist at w-sts.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Poster:       Amy West <medievalist at W-STS.COM>
> > > Subject:      Re: Earliest Known Occurrence of the Term "Hot Dog"
Pushed
> > > Back
> > >               to 1886,        (Corrected Citation)
> > >
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> > > > From:    "Shapiro, Fred"<fred.shapiro at YALE.EDU>
> > > > Subject: Earliest Known Occurrence of the Term "Hot Dog" Pushed Back
to
> > > 1886
> > > >           (Corrected Citation)
> > > >
> > > > The Tennessee provenance of the term "hot dog" now seems stronger,
as I
> > > have found an 1886 citation from that state:
> > > >
> > > > hot dog (OED 1892)
> > > >
> > > > 1886_Nashville Tennessean_  14 Nov. 9/2 (ProQuest Historical
> > Newspapers)
> > > >
> > > > "Hot stuff," "hot pup," "hot dog," sings out the fiend who carries
in
> > > one hand a tin cooking arrangement, and on the other arm a basket.
> > > <snip>
> > > >    Wiener means little and generally speaking, the purchaser gets a
> > > little the wurst of it.  (No diagram of this joke.)  Wurst means, in
> > > English, sausage; so that when one of these peddlers says wiener wurst
to
> > > you he means do you want a little sausage.  The tin vessel which he
> > carries
> > > is divided into two compartments.  The upper is filled with water, in
> > which
> > > are about a thousand, more or less, skin sausages.  In the lower
> > apartment
> > > is the alcohol stove that keeps the sausages hot.
> > > >
> > > Here's what intrigues me: the equivalence of "wiener" with little. Are
> > > they falsely analogizing by/playing on "wee"? They get "wurst" right,
so
> > > something's going on with "wiener." And the mention of "a thousand"
may
> > > be exaggeration, but still indicates a small size. So, I'm inferring
> > > that in this appearance, they're very much like what we still call
> > > "Vienna sausages".
> > >
> > > ---Amy West
> > >
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