Earliest Known Occurrence of the Term "Hot Dog" Pushed Back to 1886, (Corrected Citation)

[Jonathan Lighter]

The basket could be for papers.

JL

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 11:49 AM, David A. Daniel <dad at pokerwiz.com> wrote:

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> The sausages are in the top part of the cooking thing, in the water, being
> or to be cooked, the alcohol burner being in the lower part. Basket gotta
> be
> for buns. BTW, snub is buns spelled backwards.
> DAD
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> Subject: Re: Earliest Known Occurrence of the Term "Hot Dog" Pushed Back to
> 1886, (Corrected Citation)
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> Poster:       "Joel S. Berson" <Berson at ATT.NET>
> Subject:      Re: Earliest Known Occurrence of the Term "Hot Dog" Pushed
> Back
>               to 1886, (Corrected Citation)
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> At 1/22/2013 10:07 AM, Dan Goncharoff wrote:
> >Isn't that what the basket was for? The rolls?
> >
> >>the fiend who carries in one hand a tin cooking arrangement, and on the
> >>other arm a basket.
>
> Where did the fiend carry the yet-to-be-cooked wursts? In the "tin
> cooking arrangement"? (And if there were no rolls, I suspect not
> wrapped in wax paper -- see below -- but, like fish and chips, in
> probably-cheaper newspaper -- after all, it was called the "penny press".)
>
> Joel
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> > > <snip>
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> >DanG
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> >On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Jonathan Lighter
> ><wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>wrote:
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> > > Subject:      Re: Earliest Known Occurrence of the Term "Hot Dog"
> Pushed
> > > Back
> > >               to 1886, (Corrected Citation)
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> > > Good point, Amy.  And  no rolls are mentioned. Were the dogs sold
> wrapped
> > > in waxed paper?
> > >
> > > JL
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Amy West <medievalist at w-sts.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Poster:       Amy West <medievalist at W-STS.COM>
> > > > Subject:      Re: Earliest Known Occurrence of the Term "Hot Dog"
> Pushed
> > > > Back
> > > >               to 1886,        (Corrected Citation)
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> > > > > From:    "Shapiro, Fred"<fred.shapiro at YALE.EDU>
> > > > > Subject: Earliest Known Occurrence of the Term "Hot Dog" Pushed
> Back
> to
> > > > 1886
> > > > >           (Corrected Citation)
> > > > >
> > > > > The Tennessee provenance of the term "hot dog" now seems stronger,
> as I
> > > > have found an 1886 citation from that state:
> > > > >
> > > > > hot dog (OED 1892)
> > > > >
> > > > > 1886_Nashville Tennessean_  14 Nov. 9/2 (ProQuest Historical
> > > Newspapers)
> > > > >
> > > > > "Hot stuff," "hot pup," "hot dog," sings out the fiend who carries
> in
> > > > one hand a tin cooking arrangement, and on the other arm a basket.
> > > > <snip>
> > > > >    Wiener means little and generally speaking, the purchaser gets a
> > > > little the wurst of it.  (No diagram of this joke.)  Wurst means, in
> > > > English, sausage; so that when one of these peddlers says wiener
> wurst
> to
> > > > you he means do you want a little sausage.  The tin vessel which he
> > > carries
> > > > is divided into two compartments.  The upper is filled with water, in
> > > which
> > > > are about a thousand, more or less, skin sausages.  In the lower
> > > apartment
> > > > is the alcohol stove that keeps the sausages hot.
> > > > >
> > > > Here's what intrigues me: the equivalence of "wiener" with little.
> Are
> > > > they falsely analogizing by/playing on "wee"? They get "wurst" right,
> so
> > > > something's going on with "wiener." And the mention of "a thousand"
> may
> > > > be exaggeration, but still indicates a small size. So, I'm inferring
> > > > that in this appearance, they're very much like what we still call
> > > > "Vienna sausages".
> > > >
> > > > ---Amy West
> > > >
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