FW: Re: Disappeared as transitive (UNCLASSIFIED)

Wed Mar 20 13:48:08 UTC 2013

> Magicians unquestionably used to "disappear" long before 1976.

You know what I mean.

JL

On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>wrote:

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> Magicians unquestionably used to "disappear" long before 1976.
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> That doesn't mean that their usage - known to a small amateur and
> professional community - had any influence on the political sense of the
> term, unless Heller was drawing on the magicians' usage, which is
> impossible to know, though seemingly unlikely.
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> JL
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> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Amy West <medievalist at w-sts.com> wrote:
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> > Bill Mullins couldn't send this to the list: he did the legwork that I
> > didn't and found some 1900s cits for "disappear" vt from stage magic
> > contexts.
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> > It could be that there are two strands of influence: the stage magic and
> > then the Argentine. (I know that for me that transitive disappear has
> > that particular political connotation when used of a person because of
> > that context.)
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> > ---Amy West
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> > Subject:        FW: Re: Disappeared as transitive (UNCLASSIFIED)
> > Date:   Tue, 19 Mar 2013 15:41:48 -0500
> > From:   Mullins, Bill CIV (US) <william.d.mullins18.civ at mail.mil>
> > To:     <medievalist at W-STS.COM>
> > CC:     Ben Zimmer <bgzimmer at BABEL.LING.UPENN.EDU>
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> > Ms West -- for some reason, my posts have stopped appearing on the
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> > FYI . . . .
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> > Bill Mullins
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> > > _The Conjurers' Monthly Magazine_ Dec 15, 1907 p 106 col 2 "Here on a
> > > dock, with no traps, in full view, right under my very nose the
> > > professor had successfully disappeared the boy."
> > >
> > >
> > > _The Sphinx_ June 1916 p 64 col 2
> > > "Julius used silks which changed colour at will, disappeared a glass
> > of
> > > water and reproduced it, disappeared a glass of water and reproduced
> > > it, and finished up with a tube trick and cards."
> > >
> > > _The World's Fair_ 11/6/1937 p 12 col 5
> > > "His final item gave the members a shock, for he disappeared a
> > > handkerchief into a Stodare Egg and revealed the secret in such a
> > > manner that the members didn't know whether to sympathize with him or
> > > curse him when, with unruffled composure, he proceeded to to [sic]
> > show
> > > the visitors how it was done and finally surprised everyone by showing
> > > it was a real egg after all."
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> > > > On 3/19/13 12:00 AM, Automatic digest processor wrote:
> > > > > "It doesn't make sense. It isn't even good grammar. What the hell
> > > > does
> > > > > it mean when they disappear somebody?"
> > > > >
> > > > > "I don't know."
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> > > > >
> > > > > JL
> > > > Coming into the conversation late: any parallels in use of "vanish"?
> > > > And what about not Argentina, but stage magic as a source of this
> > > > transitivity?
> > > >
> > > > (Just brainstorming at this point: haven't done the legwork yet.)
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> > > > (Apologies if this has already been suggested. . . )
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> > > > ---Amy West
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