haymaker (boxing) antedated (?) to 1899

[Jonathan Lighter]

As for the baseball team, HDAS shows "haymaker" as a mid-19th century term
for a farmer or rustic.

JL


On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 2:55 PM, <sclements at neo.rr.com> wrote:

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> Even if Stephen's find isn't a haymaker=3Dpunch, the "punch" use can be
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> nd using Genealogy Bank in 1900.
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> 11 September 1900-- _The Denver Evening Post_ 7/1
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> Only an accidental "haymaker" from McCoy's right could have won the fight
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> or the kid.
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> Sam Clements
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> ---- "Joel S. Berson" <Berson at ATT.NET> wrote:=20
> > I am led to wonder whether there is any=20
> > connection between "haymaker" and "rainmaker", in=20
> > one or more of three arenas -- batted ball in=20
> > baseball, and bringer-in of income.  At least one=20
> > other connection -- rain makes hay.  :-)
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> > Joel
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> > At 8/17/2014 11:57 AM, Christopher Philippo wrote:
> > >On Aug 17, 2014, at 10:43 AM, Stephen Goranson <goranson at DUKE.EDU>
> wrote=
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> > > > "He [Brady] knows that there is more money in=20
> > > one fight in New York than th=3D
> > > > ere is in half dozen at Carson or some other=20
> > > outlandish place where finish =3D
> > > > fights are possible. Besides, he's got the=20
> > > best haymaker in the puglistic m=3D
> > > > eadow."
> > > >
> > > > Nov. 13, 1899 (Mon.), "The Old Sport's=20
> > > Musings" in The Philadelphia Inquire=3D
> > > > r p. 6 col. 1 (America's Historic Newspapers)
> > >
> > >I would have thought much older for=20
> > >haymaker=3Dpunch, if not necessarily=20
> > >boxer=3Dhaymaker.  The Unions of Lansingburgh, a=20
> > >baseball team created in 1860, were nicknamed=20
> > >the =C2=93Haymakers=C2=94 before 1867, possibly in=20
> > >1866.  They had a reputation for being brawlers,=20
> > >but a number of recent texts about them present=20
> > >the nickname as big city slur on them being from=20
> > >the Town of Lansingburgh (known actually for its=20
> > >brush industry, not for being a farm=20
> > >community).  Some do attribute it to their=20
> > >punches.  Neither seem to present sources to=20
> > >back their claims (at least on a cursory review=20
> > >of them just now).  Over time it may have meant=20
> > >both things with respect to the team, and it=20
> > >looks like it might also have come to mean a hit in baseball:
> > >
> > >=C2=93When the news of the first innings was=20
> > >received, showing a tally of 6 for the =C2=91Mowers=C2=92=20
> > >to 0 for the Mutuals, the faces of the crowd=20
> > >perceptibly brightened, and it was felt that the=20
> > >=C2=91reconstructed=C2=92 nine meant business, and the=20
> > >chances of their success looked decidedly=20
> > >encouraging, and as inning after inning came in,=20
> > >and the boys were seen to be steadily increasing=20
> > >their lead, hope became certainty, and there=20
> > >were plenty of =C2=91Haymakers=C2=92 to be found, the=20
> > >batting of the Haymakers was very heavy, two and=20
> > >three base hits being frequently made, and York secured a home run.=C2=
> =94
> > >=C2=93The National Game; =C2=91Blood will Tell=C2=92=C2=97The=20
> > >Haymakers Mow Down the Mutuals=C2=97The =C2=91Blue Above=20
> > >the Green.=C2=92=C2=94 Troy Daily Whig. May 26, 1871: 3 col 3.
> > >
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