haymaker (boxing) antedated (?) to 1899
sclements at NEO.RR.COM
sclements at NEO.RR.COM
Sun Aug 17 18:55:25 UTC 2014
Even if Stephen's find isn't a haymaker=punch, the "punch" use can be found using Genealogy Bank in 1900.
11 September 1900-- _The Denver Evening Post_ 7/1
Only an accidental "haymaker" from McCoy's right could have won the fight for the kid.
Sam Clements
---- "Joel S. Berson" <Berson at ATT.NET> wrote:
> I am led to wonder whether there is any
> connection between "haymaker" and "rainmaker", in
> one or more of three arenas -- batted ball in
> baseball, and bringer-in of income. At least one
> other connection -- rain makes hay. :-)
>
> Joel
>
> At 8/17/2014 11:57 AM, Christopher Philippo wrote:
> >On Aug 17, 2014, at 10:43 AM, Stephen Goranson <goranson at DUKE.EDU> wrote:
> > > "He [Brady] knows that there is more money in
> > one fight in New York than th=
> > > ere is in half dozen at Carson or some other
> > outlandish place where finish =
> > > fights are possible. Besides, he's got the
> > best haymaker in the puglistic m=
> > > eadow."
> > >
> > > Nov. 13, 1899 (Mon.), "The Old Sport's
> > Musings" in The Philadelphia Inquire=
> > > r p. 6 col. 1 (America's Historic Newspapers)
> >
> >I would have thought much older for
> >haymaker=punch, if not necessarily
> >boxer=haymaker. The Unions of Lansingburgh, a
> >baseball team created in 1860, were nicknamed
> >the Haymakers before 1867, possibly in
> >1866. They had a reputation for being brawlers,
> >but a number of recent texts about them present
> >the nickname as big city slur on them being from
> >the Town of Lansingburgh (known actually for its
> >brush industry, not for being a farm
> >community). Some do attribute it to their
> >punches. Neither seem to present sources to
> >back their claims (at least on a cursory review
> >of them just now). Over time it may have meant
> >both things with respect to the team, and it
> >looks like it might also have come to mean a hit in baseball:
> >
> >When the news of the first innings was
> >received, showing a tally of 6 for the Mowers
> >to 0 for the Mutuals, the faces of the crowd
> >perceptibly brightened, and it was felt that the
> >reconstructed nine meant business, and the
> >chances of their success looked decidedly
> >encouraging, and as inning after inning came in,
> >and the boys were seen to be steadily increasing
> >their lead, hope became certainty, and there
> >were plenty of Haymakers to be found, the
> >batting of the Haymakers was very heavy, two and
> >three base hits being frequently made, and York secured a home run.
> >The National Game; Blood will TellThe
> >Haymakers Mow Down the MutualsThe Blue Above
> >the Green. Troy Daily Whig. May 26, 1871: 3 col 3.
> >
> >Chris Philippo
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