[Ads-l] "Downsight"

[Tom Zurinskas]

Dear Herb,
Please(~z) excuse(~z) me but I surmise(~z) that I don't know what seams(~z) to be the meaning of morphological restrictions(~z) for ending ~s sound being said as ~z.

Tom Zurinskas, Conn 20 yrs, Tenn 3, NJ 33, now FL 12.See how English spelling links to sounds at http://justpaste.it/ayk


 
 


> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 23:05:56 -0500
> From: hfwstahlke at GMAIL.COM
> Subject: Re: "Downsight"
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> So we have final fortition, looking like final devoicing.  Are there
> examples of it happening with /v, D, Z/ or /b, d, g/?  The only examples
> I'm familiar with are /z/ --> /s/, and it appears to be morphologically
> restricted as well.  I don't hear "fleece" for "fleas" or /kars/ for
> /ka:rz/.  Are there examples beyond the -ese suffix?
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> Herb
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> On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 11:06 PM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 10:40 PM, Herb Stahlke <hfwstahlke at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
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> > > pronunciation of -ese words is a shortened vowel with a voiceless
> > > consonant, which makes the consonant sound like a fortis instead of a
> > lenis.
> > >
> >
> > That's the pronunciation that I use. The consonant sounds like a fortis
> > because it *is* a fortis, in my idiolect, at least.
> >
> > I was in my 50's, before I finally flashed on the phonolonical underpinning
> > of "heathen Chinee": a single member of the set, {heathen Chinee[z]}.
> >
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