Linguistic boundaries [was: A novel notion of "balance"]

[Laurence Horn]

On Jan 13, 2014, at 11:38 AM, Paul Johnston wrote:

> How do the Red Sox/Yankees divisions correlate with variables such as whether the vowel in cart (rhotic or not) is front or back, and whether cot is rounded or unrounded?

I'd guess in one direction:  Boston side of isogloss --> Red Sox fan, but not vice versa.  As I say, just a guess.

LH
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> On Jan 13, 2014, at 11:28 AM, "Shapiro, Fred" <fred.shapiro at YALE.EDU> wrote:
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>> No, actually townies.  There are people of all types who just like rooting for wealthy winners.
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>> Fred Shapiro
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>> At 1/13/2014 06:55 AM, Shapiro, Fred wrote:
>>> Based on my own subjective experience living in the New Haven area,
>>> there are a distressingly large number of Yankees fans here.
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>> Gownies?
>>
>> Joel
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>>> Fred Shapiro
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>>> On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 10:56 PM, Alice Faber wrote:
>>>> On 1/12/14 9:54 PM, Laurence Horn wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 12, 2014, at 8:07 PM, Alice Faber wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for the Red Sox-Yankees boundary, I would say it's shifted east in
>>>>>> the past decade. This isn't just due to the Red Sox' recent success
>>>>>> (though that contributed); the addition of Red Sox broadcasts to cable
>>>>>> systems in the New Haven area makes it much easier to follow the Sox
>>>>>> these days.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alice--you do mean the boundary has shifted west, right?  Or maybe New
>>>>> Haven County has shifted east?  Either way I agree, and I think
>>> both radio
>>>>> (especially for baseball) and football (especially for TV) has
>>> played a major
>>>>> role in establishing the relevant isofans.
>>>>
>>>> Yep...the other east. Towards the Pacific.
>>>
>>> For some big-data analysis of the Red Sox-Yankees boundary through CT, see:
>>>
>>> http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10000872396390443324404577593533930872376
>>> http://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2012/08/17/finding-the-true-border-between-yankee-and-red-sox-nation-using-facebook-data/
>>>
>>> That's based on professed allegiance on Facebook, providing a much
>>> bigger dataset than the "driving around and asking strangers" method
>>> employed a few years before that by the Times:
>>>
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/18/sports/baseball/18fans.html
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