Jiang - what Confucius insisted on eating

[Randy Alexander]

肉不正不食

Don't eat the meat if it's not "right".  This probably doesn't refer to how
you cook it, but the quality of the meat itself.
On Jan 20, 2014 7:51 PM, "Benjamin Barrett" <gogaku at ix.netcom.com> wrote:

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> I don't actually know Chinese, but that seems like a reasonable
> translation of 肉不正不食. However, that's not 不得其醬, which certainly seems to be
> part of the "Analects." BB
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> On Jan 20, 2014, at 4:36 PM, W Brewer <brewerwa at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
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> > BB: <<bu4 de2 qi2 jia4ng>>
> >
> > WB: Wife's kindergarten teacher would disagree with this analysis. Showed
> > msg to wife; contrarily without hesitation proclaimed it as WRONG; no
> > arguing with native speaker. Since kindergarten, she has learned that if
> > his meat were not *correctly prepared*, Confucius would not eat it.
> Recites
> > rotely =E8=82=89=E4=B8=8D=E6=AD=A3=E4=B8=8D=E9=A3=9F rou4 bu4 *zheng4*
> bu4 =
> > shi2 <meat not *square* not eat>.
> > Further explicating symbolism: Confucius was fastidious about being
> correct
> > in everything, morality, politics, filial piety (thus accounting for the
> > <anal> in Analects--WB). Anyway, am heartened at prospect of 200,000
> > Chinese words for sauce, making mincemeat of the Eskimos.
> >
> > A philosopher colleague once asked me whether it was common practice in
> > Taiwan to cite Chinese classics in Old Chinese pronunciation or
> Mandarin. I
> > think Confucius should be cited in his own <<dialect>>: p=C9=99 t=C9=99k
> g=
> > =C9=99 tsa=C5=8Bh (=3D
> > p@ t at k g@ tsangh).
> >
> > One of Mathews' (1943) glosses for jiang4 is 'ketchup'. I also like to
> put
> > ketchup on Chinese food, just tastes better that way.
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