"out of" = 'in'

[Jonathan Lighter]

That's sick.

JL


On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:05 PM, Herb Stahlke <hfwstahlke at gmail.com> wrote:

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> "out of" is used horses to indicate the mare who gave birth to the horse
> being identified (OED "out of" 3.b).  Could this sporting usage be the
> source of of its contemporary use in sports writing about football players,
> boxers, ect.?
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> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Charles C Doyle <cdoyle at uga.edu> wrote:
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> > In the introduction of pugilists who are about to compete in "Ultimate
> > Fighting" bouts (we all watch those, don't we?) a fuller locution is
> > customarily employed, which has struck me as especially odd.  For
> example,
> > "Fighting out of Athens, Georgia: Forrest Griffin."
> >
> > --Charlie
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> > At 1/22/2014 05:45 PM, Jonathan Lighter wrote:
> > >No. Huge difference.
> > >
> > >The confident pace and inflection of the spoken utterance conveyed the
> > >unmistakable idea that "out of Norman" referred to the location of the
> > >University and not the origin of the story.
> > >
> > >Otherwise it would have been customary and journalistically idiomatic to
> > >have said, "[And now, breaking news] out of Norman, Oklahoma: [a report
> > of]
> > >shots fired at the University of Oklahoma [there in Norman. That
> breaking
> > >news out of Norman, Oklahoma...]."
> > >
> > >Few newspeople seem to say "from" anywhere, if they can say "out of."
> > >  That's been true for many years.
> > >
> > >
> > >JL
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> > > > > CNN reports "shots fired at the University of Oklahoma out of
> Norman,
> > > > > Oklahoma
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hmmm...If you read, "CNN reports, out of Norman, Oklahoma, shots
> fired
> > at
> > > > the University of Oklahoma," would you have said anything? Is there a
> > > > difference?
> > > >
> > > > DanG
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