fapp and phallologocentrism

[Jonathan Lighter]

Hey, diddle diddle,
The "cat" and the "fiddle."

Shocking no matter how you interpret it.

JL


On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 8:08 AM, Amy West <medievalist at w-sts.com> wrote:

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> > Date:    Thu, 11 Sep 2014 23:45:56 -0400
> > From:    Wilson Gray<hwgray at GMAIL.COM>
> > Subject: Re: fapp and phallologocentrism
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> > On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:28 PM, W Brewer<brewerwa at gmail.com>  wrote:
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> > BTW, is the question re *male* terms for female masturbation?
> Not necessarily. The thought started out specifically about the
> onomatopoeic origin of "fap," and how that had to be gender-specific
> (just because of the machinery) and then it expanded to "What about
> female masturbation?"
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> I think that's a really important corollary: *who* talks about female
> masturbation? Everybody? Males? Females? Nobody?
> > *All* the terms that I know for this activity are used only by guys,
> > in my experience, with a single exception: "jill off." I came across
> > it first in a feminist essay somewhere - Widener Library? - somewhen -
> > the '70's? - and entirely missed the connection with "jack off" till
> > *very* recently, about 2010, after I'd come across the term here and
> > there on the Web. I haven't checked either Google or the UD.
>
> > Vo women even *need* a special slang term for masturbation?
> Not necessarily, but again, given that some terms arise from the
> physical action ("fap", "jerk off"), because the physical action is
> going to be different, I was wondering if there were in fact different
> terms. Or if it just wasn't talked about.
> > Which reminds me, there's the semi-unisex - I don't know whether women
> > use it, but I've come across used by men to refer to the relevant
> > activity, irrespective of the sex of the actor - clio, "bate."
> Right, and as has been pointed out, "jerk off" has broadened to
> encompass both male and female; will "fap" do the same?
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> ---Amy West
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