[Ads-l] locomotives as female

Sun Apr 19 17:01:05 UTC 2015

Once again I spoke too soon.  I withdraw my previous mistaken impression of "A Kiss In The Tunnel">
Joel

      From: Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at YALE.EDU>
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> On Apr 19, 2015, at 12:43 AM, Dan Goncharoff <thegonch at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Not to mention, I guess, since you didn't, "A Kiss In The Tunnel", the 1899
> film that started the cliche.

(Well, I sort of did indirectly at the link below.  It's a fun piece.

LH)

> On Apr 18, 2015 8:50 PM, "Laurence Horn" <laurence.horn at yale.edu> wrote:
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>>> On Apr 18, 2015, at 4:52 PM, Joel Berson <berson at ATT.NET> wrote:
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>>> "North by Northwest", 1959.
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>> I was thinking Hitchcock, but probably just remembering that one.  "The =
>> Lady Eve" is another according to this page:
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>> -the-tunnel/
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>> Shots of trains entering tunnels would, after all, eventually become the =
>> crudest and most obvious sexual metaphor in all of cinema (as seen in =
>> The Lady Eve, North By Northwest, The Naked Gun 2 1/2: The Smell of Fear =
>> and countless other movies).=20
>> 
>> (Naked Gun and Monty Python etc. don't really count; what we're looking =
>> for are serious, although not necessarily creative, uses of the =
>> metaphor/trope.)  If there are countless ones, that implies more than =
>> two.  I think there may have been a semi-serious (or at least =
>> non-spoofing) use in one of the Nick 'n' Nora Thin Man mysteries, but I =
>> may be misremembering.
>> 
>> LH
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>>> I think some well-known spoof movie spoofing other movies has a "train =
>> entering a tunnel" scene, together with several other metaphors.  It's =
>> so well known that, as Yogi might say, everyone, including me, has =
>> forgotten its name.
>>> But are those the only two?
>>> Joel
>>>    From: Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
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>>> Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 4:09 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [ADS-L] locomotives as female
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>>> Could you give the titles of some of those movies, Larry?
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>>> I've often wondered just how true that claim was.
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>>> BTW, engineer George Alley, in "The Wreck on the C&O Road"  (ca1895)  =
>> says,
>>> "I want to die with the engine I love,/ One hundred and forty-three."
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>>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Laurence Horn =
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>>> wrote:
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>>>> Right, you just have to make sure it's not a locomotif.
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>>>> (Of course the younger generations haven't been raised on all those =
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>>>> movies in which love scenes pan to shots of trains entering =
>> tunnels.)=3D20
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>>>> LH
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>>>>> On Apr 17, 2015, at 11:19 AM, Herb Stahlke <hfwstahlke at GMAIL.COM> =3D
>>>> wrote:
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>>>>> My nephew, who is a great train buff, the other day referred to a
>>>>> locomotive as "her."  I asked about the gender, and he said it's
>>>>> conventional to refer to locomotives as feminine.
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>>>>> New one for me.
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