[Ads-l] Rosa Luxemburg Quote

Dan Goncharoff thegonch at GMAIL.COM
Wed Jun 3 21:05:54 UTC 2015 

This discussion, auf Deutsch, pushes it another year earlier, to 1988:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProjekt_Marxismus/Caf%C3%A9/Archiv/2012#Rosa_Luxemburg.3F

Mit Bezug auf dieLiebknecht-Luxemburg-Demonstration#Deutsche Demokratische
Republik
<http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebknecht-Luxemburg-Demonstration#Deutsche_Demokratische_Republik>
am
17. Januar 1988 hat Ilse Spittmann
<http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ilse_Spittmann&action=edit&redlink=1>
 geschrieben:
"Sie wählten Zitate von Rosa Luxemburg für ihre selbstgefertigten
Transparente : »Freiheit ist immer die Freiheit der Andersdenkenden«, »Wer
sich nicht bewegt, spürt die Fesseln nicht«." (Der 17. Januar und die
Folgen, in Deutschland Archiv 3, 1988, Seite 227)

Referring to the Liebknecht - Luxembourg demonstration # German Democratic
Republic on 17 January 1988 Ilse Spittmann wrote :" They chose quotes from
Rosa Luxembourg for their home-made banners : " Freedom is always the
freedom of dissenters " , " Who does not move ,does not feel the shackles "
. " ( January 17 and the consequences , in Germany Archive 3 , 1988, page
227 )



DanG

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:26 PM, ADSGarson O'Toole <adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com
> wrote:

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> Subject:      Re: Rosa Luxemburg Quote
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> In addition to the citations with unverified 1982 GB dates that I
> posted previously I should mention that Barry has an entry for the
> English expression with a 2007 citation.
>
> Entry from October 20, 2013
> "Those who do not move do not notice their chains"
>
> http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/those_who_do_not_mo=
> ve_do_not_notice_their_chains
>
> Here is a snippet match in Google Books that is tagged with the year 2006.
>
> Year: 2006
> Title: Report of Congress
> Author: Trades Union Congress
> (Google Books snippet; data must be verified)
> https://books.google.com/books?id=3DxRooAQAAIAAJ
>
> [Begin extracted text]
> Workers only feel the full force of anti-union law when they
> themselves take action, when they find their hands tied behind their
> backs, as Rosa Luxembourg observed, "Those who do not move do not
> notice their chains." So, despite the ...
> [End extracted text]
>
> There is a discussion of the quotation here:
>
>
> https://librarianshipwreck.wordpress.com/2013/07/06/reference-desk-unanswer=
> ed-questions/
>
> One reply on the thread asserts the quote appeared on a banner during
> a protest in Germany in 1989. (Note that the previous post on this
> thread has earlier unverified evidence).
>
> [Begin excerpt]
> I asked the Marxist Internet Archive as suggested, and quickly
> received the following reply, which seems to find the quote to be
> apocryphal:
>
> =E2=80=9CThe German version of this (alleged) quote is =E2=80=9CWer sich
> ni=
> cht bewegt,
> sp=C3=BCrt seine Fesseln nicht.=E2=80=9D It has been attributed to Rosa
> Lux=
> emburg
> by many people and she did say some things that have a similar meaning
> but none of the discussions I=E2=80=99ve read have been able to quote
> where=
>  it
> came from. While it may appear in one of her letters (most of them
> aren=E2=80=99t online yet), the earliest definite reference to this
> stateme=
> nt
> seems to be a banner on an opposition demonstration in the GDR on 17
> January 1989 (i.e. on the 70th anniversary of her murder)!
> [End excerpt]
>
> Garson
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:54 PM, ADSGarson O'Toole
> <adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Here are two raw matches in Google Books that are tagged with the year
> > 1982. I cannot read German so I am using Google Translate.
> >
> > The two matching phrases were:
> >
> > Wer sich nicht bewegt, der sp=3DC3=3DBCrt die Fesseln nicht.
> > Wer sich nicht bewegt, sp=3DC3=3DBCrt die Fesseln nicht.
> >
> > Title: Protokoll Gewerkschaft Textil-Bekleidung: 14. Ordentlicher
> > Gewerkschaftstag in Mainz Rheingoldhalle, 17. Okt. bis 22. Okt. 1982
> > Author: Gewerkschaft Textil-Bekleidung. Hauptvorstand
> > Publisher: Gewerkschaft Textil-Bekleidung, Hauptvorstand, 1982
> > (Google Books snippet; data may be inaccurate and must be verified)
> > https://books.google.com/books?id=3D3D2-1aAAAAYAAJ&
> >
> > [Begin extracted text]
> > Und allen, die die gewerkschaftliche Jugendarbeit zweifeind.
> > vielleicht sogar ein wenig mi=3DC3=3D9Ftrauisch begleiten und
> kommentiere=
> n,
> > sage ich: Wer sich nicht bewegt, sp=3DC3=3DBCrt die Fesseln nicht.
> > Solidarisches Denken und Handeln, =3DC3=3DBCber die ...
> > [End extracted text]
> >
> >
> > Title: Jugend '81: Lebensentw=3DC3=3DBCrfe, Alltagskulturen,
> Zukunftsbild=
> er :
> > Studie, Volume 1
> > Volume 9 of [Jugendstudie / Jugendwerk der Deutschen Shell]
> > Editor: Arthur Fischer
> > Contributors: Arthur Fischer, Deutsche Shell AG. Jugendwerk, Psydata,
> > Institut f=3DC3=3DBCr Marktanalysen, Sozial- und Mediaforschung
> > Publisher: Leske + Budrich, 1982
> > (Google Books snippet; data may be inaccurate and must be verified)
> > https://books.google.com/books?id=3D3D8u8oAAAAYAAJ&
> >
> > [Begin extracted text]
> > ... weil man machen kann, was man will, aber wichtig dabei ist, da=3DC3=
> =3D9F
> > man immer will, was man macht - Seht die Behinderten wie uns auch an -
> > Wer sich nicht bewegt, der sp=3DC3=3DBCrt die Fesseln nicht - Ich suche
> d=
> en
> > Frieden und beginne bei mir - Die ...
> > [End extracted text]
> >
> > Garson
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Stephen Goranson <goranson at duke.edu>
> wro=
> te=3D
> > :
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> >> Sender:       American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> >> Poster:       Stephen Goranson <goranson at DUKE.EDU>
> >> Subject:      Re: Rosa Luxemburg Quote
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> >> FWIW--maybe you have this or something earlier already-- "Wer sich
> nicht=
>  =3D
> > be=3D3D
> >> wegt, sp=3D3DFCrt seine Fesseln nicht" according to HT probably (I
> haven=
> 't =3D
> > seen=3D3D
> >>  the publication) appears in
> >>  Frauen-Graffiti :
> >> "Als Gott den Mann erschuf, het sie bloss ge=3D3DFCbt" /
> >> Saskia Schlesinger
> >> 1985 Originalausg.
> >> German Book Book 128 unnumbered pages : illustrations ; 18 cm.
> >> M=3D3DFCnchen : W. Heyne, ; ISBN: 345335057X 9783453350571=3D3D20
> >>
> >> "sequence No.41"
> >> (though apparently without Rosa Luxemburg)
> >>
> >> Stephen Goranson
> >> http://people.duke.edu/~goranson/
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________________
> >> From: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU> on behalf of
> Sha=
> p=3D
> > ir=3D3D
> >> o, Fred <fred.shapiro at YALE.EDU>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2015 11:08 AM
> >> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >> Subject: [ADS-L] Rosa Luxemburg Quote
> >>
> >> The quotation "Those who do not move, do not notice their chains" is
> fre=
> q=3D
> > ue=3D3D
> >> ntly attributed to Rosa Luxemburg.  I am trying to trace the earliest
> at=
> t=3D
> > ri=3D3D
> >> bution to Luxemburg, or to anyone else if there were other attributions
> =
> p=3D
> > re=3D3D
> >> dating the ones to her, and would welcome any citations or pointers to
> p=
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> >> ible occurrences.
> >>
> >> Fred Shapiro
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