[Ads-l] Rosa Luxemburg Quote

Wed Jun 3 21:58:23 UTC 2015

Thanks, Dan. One of the unverified citations I posted earlier was in a
book about German popular culture circa 1981 that apparently was
published by 1982.

Title: Jugend '81: Lebensentwürfe, Alltagskulturen, Zukunftsbilder
GTrans: Youth '81: lifestyles, everyday cultures, visions of the future
(GTrans means Google Translation)

Google Books has the 1982 book in snippet mode, but the database also
has a 2013 reprint that is in preview mode; hence, more of it is
visible.
Here is a link into the 1982 edition:
https://books.google.com/books?id=8u8oAAAAYAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=Fesseln
Short link: http://bit.ly/1RKmjDF

Here is a link into the 2013 reprint:
https://books.google.com/books?id=WnF_BwAAQBAJ&q=Fesseln+#v=snippet&
Short link: http://bit.ly/1JmelPJ

If you follow the link immediately above please click on the displayed
snippet box to see the full page in preview mode.

The section containing the slogan is called "Maximen und Reflexionen"
(GTrans: Maxims and Reflections)

If you can read German perhaps you would be willing to take a look and
see if the book looks like it was really originally published in 1982.

Here is more of the context. It looks like a bunch of maxims and slogans.

[Begin extracted text – special characters replaced]
... weil man machen kann, was man will, aber wichtig dabei ist, daB
man immer will, was man macht - Seht die Behinderten wie uns auch an -
Wer sich nicht bewegt, der spurt die Fesseln nicht - Ich suche den
Frieden und beginne bei mir - Die Zeit ist schnell irgendwann uberholt
sie dich, dann bist du tot - Gegen die Stromung, gegen den Wind -
Lieber sinnvoll schweigen als gedanken voll schwatzen
[End extracted text]

Garson

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Dan Goncharoff <thegonch at gmail.com> wrote:
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> This discussion, auf Deutsch, pushes it another year earlier, to 1988:
>
> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProjekt_Marxismus/Caf%C3%A9/Arch=
> iv/2012#Rosa_Luxemburg.3F
>
> Mit Bezug auf dieLiebknecht-Luxemburg-Demonstration#Deutsche Demokratische
> Republik
> <http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebknecht-Luxemburg-Demonstration#Deutsche_D=
> emokratische_Republik>
> am
> 17. Januar 1988 hat Ilse Spittmann
> <http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DIlse_Spittmann&action=3Dedit&r=
> edlink=3D1>
>  geschrieben:
> "Sie w=C3=A4hlten Zitate von Rosa Luxemburg f=C3=BCr ihre selbstgefertigten
> Transparente : =C2=BBFreiheit ist immer die Freiheit der Andersdenkenden=C2=
> =AB, =C2=BBWer
> sich nicht bewegt, sp=C3=BCrt die Fesseln nicht=C2=AB." (Der 17. Januar und=
>  die
> Folgen, in Deutschland Archiv 3, 1988, Seite 227)
>
> Referring to the Liebknecht - Luxembourg demonstration # German Democratic
> Republic on 17 January 1988 Ilse Spittmann wrote :" They chose quotes from
> Rosa Luxembourg for their home-made banners : " Freedom is always the
> freedom of dissenters " , " Who does not move ,does not feel the shackles "
> . " ( January 17 and the consequences , in Germany Archive 3 , 1988, page
> 227 )
>
>
>
> DanG
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:26 PM, ADSGarson O'Toole <adsgarsonotoole at gmail.co=
> m
>> wrote:
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>> Subject:      Re: Rosa Luxemburg Quote
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>> In addition to the citations with unverified 1982 GB dates that I
>> posted previously I should mention that Barry has an entry for the
>> English expression with a 2007 citation.
>>
>> Entry from October 20, 2013
>> "Those who do not move do not notice their chains"
>>
>> http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/those_who_do_not_=
> mo=3D
>> ve_do_not_notice_their_chains
>>
>> Here is a snippet match in Google Books that is tagged with the year 2006=
> .
>>
>> Year: 2006
>> Title: Report of Congress
>> Author: Trades Union Congress
>> (Google Books snippet; data must be verified)
>> https://books.google.com/books?id=3D3DxRooAQAAIAAJ
>>
>> [Begin extracted text]
>> Workers only feel the full force of anti-union law when they
>> themselves take action, when they find their hands tied behind their
>> backs, as Rosa Luxembourg observed, "Those who do not move do not
>> notice their chains." So, despite the ...
>> [End extracted text]
>>
>> There is a discussion of the quotation here:
>>
>>
>> https://librarianshipwreck.wordpress.com/2013/07/06/reference-desk-unansw=
> er=3D
>> ed-questions/
>>
>> One reply on the thread asserts the quote appeared on a banner during
>> a protest in Germany in 1989. (Note that the previous post on this
>> thread has earlier unverified evidence).
>>
>> [Begin excerpt]
>> I asked the Marxist Internet Archive as suggested, and quickly
>> received the following reply, which seems to find the quote to be
>> apocryphal:
>>
>> =3DE2=3D80=3D9CThe German version of this (alleged) quote is =3DE2=3D80=
> =3D9CWer sich
>> ni=3D
>> cht bewegt,
>> sp=3DC3=3DBCrt seine Fesseln nicht.=3DE2=3D80=3D9D It has been attributed=
>  to Rosa
>> Lux=3D
>> emburg
>> by many people and she did say some things that have a similar meaning
>> but none of the discussions I=3DE2=3D80=3D99ve read have been able to quo=
> te
>> where=3D
>>  it
>> came from. While it may appear in one of her letters (most of them
>> aren=3DE2=3D80=3D99t online yet), the earliest definite reference to this
>> stateme=3D
>> nt
>> seems to be a banner on an opposition demonstration in the GDR on 17
>> January 1989 (i.e. on the 70th anniversary of her murder)!
>> [End excerpt]
>>
>> Garson
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:54 PM, ADSGarson O'Toole
>> <adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > Subject:      Re: Rosa Luxemburg Quote
>> >
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>> > Here are two raw matches in Google Books that are tagged with the year
>> > 1982. I cannot read German so I am using Google Translate.
>> >
>> > The two matching phrases were:
>> >
>> > Wer sich nicht bewegt, der sp=3D3DC3=3D3DBCrt die Fesseln nicht.
>> > Wer sich nicht bewegt, sp=3D3DC3=3D3DBCrt die Fesseln nicht.
>> >
>> > Title: Protokoll Gewerkschaft Textil-Bekleidung: 14. Ordentlicher
>> > Gewerkschaftstag in Mainz Rheingoldhalle, 17. Okt. bis 22. Okt. 1982
>> > Author: Gewerkschaft Textil-Bekleidung. Hauptvorstand
>> > Publisher: Gewerkschaft Textil-Bekleidung, Hauptvorstand, 1982
>> > (Google Books snippet; data may be inaccurate and must be verified)
>> > https://books.google.com/books?id=3D3D3D2-1aAAAAYAAJ&
>> >
>> > [Begin extracted text]
>> > Und allen, die die gewerkschaftliche Jugendarbeit zweifeind.
>> > vielleicht sogar ein wenig mi=3D3DC3=3D3D9Ftrauisch begleiten und
>> kommentiere=3D
>> n,
>> > sage ich: Wer sich nicht bewegt, sp=3D3DC3=3D3DBCrt die Fesseln nicht.
>> > Solidarisches Denken und Handeln, =3D3DC3=3D3DBCber die ...
>> > [End extracted text]
>> >
>> >
>> > Title: Jugend '81: Lebensentw=3D3DC3=3D3DBCrfe, Alltagskulturen,
>> Zukunftsbild=3D
>> er :
>> > Studie, Volume 1
>> > Volume 9 of [Jugendstudie / Jugendwerk der Deutschen Shell]
>> > Editor: Arthur Fischer
>> > Contributors: Arthur Fischer, Deutsche Shell AG. Jugendwerk, Psydata,
>> > Institut f=3D3DC3=3D3DBCr Marktanalysen, Sozial- und Mediaforschung
>> > Publisher: Leske + Budrich, 1982
>> > (Google Books snippet; data may be inaccurate and must be verified)
>> > https://books.google.com/books?id=3D3D3D8u8oAAAAYAAJ&
>> >
>> > [Begin extracted text]
>> > ... weil man machen kann, was man will, aber wichtig dabei ist, da=3D3D=
> C3=3D
>> =3D3D9F
>> > man immer will, was man macht - Seht die Behinderten wie uns auch an -
>> > Wer sich nicht bewegt, der sp=3D3DC3=3D3DBCrt die Fesseln nicht - Ich s=
> uche
>> d=3D
>> en
>> > Frieden und beginne bei mir - Die ...
>> > [End extracted text]
>> >
>> > Garson
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Stephen Goranson <goranson at duke.edu>
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>> >> Poster:       Stephen Goranson <goranson at DUKE.EDU>
>> >> Subject:      Re: Rosa Luxemburg Quote
>> >>
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>> >> FWIW--maybe you have this or something earlier already-- "Wer sich
>> nicht=3D
>>  =3D3D
>> > be=3D3D3D
>> >> wegt, sp=3D3D3DFCrt seine Fesseln nicht" according to HT probably (I
>> haven=3D
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>> > seen=3D3D3D
>> >>  the publication) appears in
>> >>  Frauen-Graffiti :
>> >> "Als Gott den Mann erschuf, het sie bloss ge=3D3D3DFCbt" /
>> >> Saskia Schlesinger
>> >> 1985 Originalausg.
>> >> German Book Book 128 unnumbered pages : illustrations ; 18 cm.
>> >> M=3D3D3DFCnchen : W. Heyne, ; ISBN: 345335057X 9783453350571=3D3D3D20
>> >>
>> >> "sequence No.41"
>> >> (though apparently without Rosa Luxemburg)
>> >>
>> >> Stephen Goranson
>> >> http://people.duke.edu/~goranson/
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >> o, Fred <fred.shapiro at YALE.EDU>
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2015 11:08 AM
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>> >> Subject: [ADS-L] Rosa Luxemburg Quote
>> >>
>> >> The quotation "Those who do not move, do not notice their chains" is
>> fre=3D
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>> > ue=3D3D3D
>> >> ntly attributed to Rosa Luxemburg.  I am trying to trace the earliest
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>> >> bution to Luxemburg, or to anyone else if there were other attribution=
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>> >> dating the ones to her, and would welcome any citations or pointers to
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>> >> ible occurrences.
>> >>
>> >> Fred Shapiro
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