[Ads-l] fed up of; earlier from

[Jonathan Lighter]

"For" seems to imply conscious purpose, or placement by some outside
influence, or some suggestion of benefit to the object of (not "for") the
preposition. "Of" seems merely to suggest a close relationship.

But it's probably more complicated than that.

JL

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Charles C Doyle <cdoyle at uga.edu> wrote:

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> And we would most idiomatically say (wouldn't we?)  "the assigned teacher
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> or that class"--not "the assigned teacher of that class."
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> But contrast the phrase I heard earlier this week:
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> "Barack Obama, the United States' President, met with the leader for
> Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu."
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> As I may have indicated years back, "for" is often showing up where you'd
> expect "of."
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> JL
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> On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
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> > Except that as we've discussed in various previous exchanges on the =3D
> > list, the tendency for various selected prepositions to neutralize to =3D
> > "of" ("bored of" is just one of many) is extremely widespread.  I'm =3D
> > dubious that each one is a sui generis blend; it seems much more =3D
> > economical to treat this as an instance of what we might call "_of_ =3D
> > sickness", on the model of "dative sickness" in Icelandic, the tendency =
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> > for various object cases selected idiosyncratically by various verbs to =
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> > be neutralized to dative.   In any case, I don't find the blend analysis
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> > a "no doubt"er.  (And anyway, how could we be sure it's based on "sick =
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> > of" rather than "tired of"?)
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> > > From: "Cohen, Gerald Leonard" <gcohen at MST.EDU>
> > > Subject: Re: fed up of; earlier from
> > > Date: November 14, 2015 at 5:02:34 PM EST
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> > > "Fed up of" is no doubt a blend: "fed up with" + "sick of".
> > > G. Cohen=3D20
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