[Ads-l] "joyride"

Sat Oct 31 20:57:42 UTC 2015

> On Oct 31, 2015, at 4:23 PM, George Thompson <george.thompson at nyu.edu> wrote:
> 
> I'm thinking that a joy ride or jazz ride ends on the same airfield it left
> from, as opposed to providing transportation to a destination.

Are those two possibilities exclusive?  I've always thought that at least on the ground joyrides allow for the possibility of abandoning the vehicle in some field or whatever--the key is that it's distinguished from car theft by virtue of the intent and the final result--the "borrowers" neither plan on keeping the car nor do so, but they don't need to return it to its starting point.  Maybe it's different for planes.  

Here's the OED's gloss; no mention of landing site in either case:
'A pleasure trip in a motor car, aeroplane, etc., often without the permission of the owner of the vehicle.'

LH

>  Therefore
> it is foolishness; but I'll accept foolish and exciting.
> 
> GAT
> 
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Maybe not "nonsensical" but "exciting."
>> 
>> Cf. "joyride" itself.
>> 
>> JL
>> 
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>>> Maybe not "nonsensical" but "exciting."
>>> 
>>> Consider "joyride" itself.
>>> 
>>> JL
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 9:43 PM, George Thompson <
>> george.thompson at nyu.edu>
>>> wrote:
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>>>> 
>>>> This fits with the sense of the first two appearances of "jazz" -- Ben
>>>> Henderson's "jazz curve" and the statement that the idea that a young
>>>> ballplayer isn't talented is "all to the jazz" -- the sense of
>> nonsense,
>>>> foolishness, or such.  Henderson's jazz curve was ridiculous: it
>> wobbled;
>>>> the misunderestimation of the young player is nonsense; and a jazz trip
>>> in
>>>> an airplane without purpose or destination is foolish.
>>>> 
>>>> All but one of the rest of the citations from 1914 (as I recall) show
>> the
>>>> other sense: energy or enthusiasm; which is the sense that links to
>>> "jazz"
>>>> in music.
>>>> 
>>>> GAT
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Geoffrey Steven Nathan <
>>>> geoffnathan at wayne.edu> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I subscribe to an aviation trade journal (Aviation Week) which is
>>> having
>>>> a
>>>>> feature on 100 years of 'airline technology'. Here's a quote from an
>>>>> article:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On a bright New Year's Day morning in 1914, an enthusiastic crowd
>> that
>>>> had
>>>>> gathered at the yacht basin in St. Petersburg, Florida, cheered with
>>>>> delight as a fragile-looking Benoist XIV floatplane left the water
>> and
>>>>> pointed its blunt nose in the direction of nearby Tampa. Squeezed
>> into
>>>> the
>>>>> tiny cockpit were pioneer aviator Tony Jannus and Abe Pheil, a former
>>> St.
>>>>> Petersburg mayor who had bid $400 to become the first fare-paying
>>>> passenger
>>>>> on the world's first scheduled, fixed-wing airline flight. Percival
>>>>> Fansler, the local businessman behind the St.
>>> 
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