[Ads-l] Dorchester

[Joel Berson]

Which u/U sound is "shrooz-b at ry"?  Speaking as a New-Yorker who moved to Boston at the age of 20, but listens to radio and TV.


Joel

      From: "Paul A Johnston, Jr" <paul.johnston at WMICH.EDU>
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The English town in Dorset doesn't drop the syllable either.  Cirencester in Gloucestershire used to throw me, because I was expecting [sIs at st@] or even [sIst@], which are both older pronunciations, but was assured it was [saIr at nsEst@], just what it looks like, nowadays.  And does Shrewsbury, MA have [u:] or [oU]?  I'd guess [u:] alone.


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> > On Apr 20, 2016, at 11:08 AM, James A. Landau =
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> > My daughter, who lives in Canton, Massachusetts, asks:  If
> > Gloucester =
> is pronounced /glahster/ (I taste not the Pierian spring of IPA) and
> =
> Worcester is pronounced /wooster/, why isn't Dorchester pronounced =
> /dorchster/ or /dorster/?
> My theory:
> 
> Try saying the former ("Dorchster" with the /tSst/ cluster).  I
> assume =
> the derivation of /glaster/ (or more likely /glOst@/) is from =
> /glOs at st@/> /glOsst@/ (with schwa-deletion) >/glOst@/ (with =
> degemination), ditto with "Worcester".  But if you deleted the schwa
> in =
> "Dorchester" you'd end up with that unsightly, or unsoundly,
> consonant =
> cluster (or "clucester" as they used to be called).=20
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