[Ads-l] another entry for the "and <<>>in/en" files ("case and point")

[Laurence Horn]

> On Feb 21, 2016, at 8:07 PM, Joel Berson <berson at att.net> wrote:
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> Larry, 
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> I only wonder whether "foot in mouth disease" is a pure eggcorn.

I was claiming the existence of two different uses (or mental models).  One is an eggcorn or perhaps malapropism--in any case, a reanalysis--along the lines of "tongue and cheek" or "spittin' image" and the other (e.g. a blogger's mocking of a politician or the politician's own self-deprecating use) is an intentional pun.  Whether the naive use is a pure eggcorn depends on whether it's a motivated reanalysis, and I'm reckoning that in some cases it is.  

LH

>  A politician who often blunders verbally might be characterized as having (chronic) foot in mouth *disease*.  That seems possibly to have a different origin than the foot and mouth disease of cattle.
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> I can't tell anything from the OED, which has no entry for "foot in ones mouth" and only two quotations, neither under "foot" or "mouth".
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> Joel
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>      *From: Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at YALE.EDU>
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> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 2:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [ADS-L] another entry for the "and <<>>in/en" files ("case and point")
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>> On Feb 21, 2016, at 2:37 PM, Joel Berson <berson at att.net> wrote:
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>> Doesn't "foot in mouth disease" have a life independent of, and arising separately from, "foot and mouth disease", especially when inadvertent?  
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> I put "inadvertent" to distinguish the eggcorn from the pun (cf. along the same lines "kitten caboodle")
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>> And I can visualize a "puss in boots".  Is there a "puss and boots" anywhere?
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> It began as "puss and boots" (in the fairy tale) according to whatever source I checked several years back.  I agree that "puss in boots" makes more sense and maybe I mistranscribed it.  I've certainly seen it both ways (as with "hand in/and glove").  I see the cat food is officially "Puss'n Boots", splitting (or splitt'n) the difference.
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> LH
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