[Ads-l] talk story - 1971

[Benjamin Barrett]

I have no idea, but it is possible that the meaning in HCE is different from the meaning in English.

My Mac dictionary says that “schmooze” (a word I associate with buttering people up to gain influence) means "talk intimately and cozily; gossip."

http://bit.ly/20naBTP seems to work for schmooze, though it’s not definitive. 

http://bit.ly/1QmPQTJ indicates that the word has undergone a transformation: Today when we say "talk-story" we often mean it in the diminished sense of "shoot the breeze," "chew the fat," "chitchat." 

http://bit.ly/1GdBZxn uses the word to mean a short bio, as in a comment or two about a person.

Slang Dictionary (http://bit.ly/1QmPCfa) says: Many people in Hawaii like to sit around, share stories, and relax.

Share stories seems a good fit for http://bit.ly/1nsPbqA: I sang with them, danced for them, talked story about America and the rest of the world with them,…

Benjamin Barrett
Formerly of Seattle, WA

> On 24 Jan 2016, at 12:14, Geoffrey Steven Nathan <geoffnathan at WAYNE.EDU> wrote:
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> My HCE is a little rusty (I was somewhat fluent in the seventies) but as I =
> recall it's a little more than just 'casual conversation'. Something like '=
> schmooze', perhaps with the additional connotation of 'trading tall tales'.=
> My only handy reference material is=20
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> Pidgin to da max' (1981). Douglas Simonson (Peppo), Ken Sakata and Pat Sasa=
> ki. The Bess Press. Honolulu, HI.
> 'Talk, gossip, shoot the breeze. Siddown, relax, talk story wit' me'=20
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> FWIW, Ken Sakata is a linguist who was a classmate of mine. Not sure where =
> he is now.
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> This is an English idiom commonly used in Hawaii. AFAIK, it means to =3D
> have a casual conversation and comes from HCE (Pidgin). It=3DE2=3D80=3D99s =
> not =3D
> on the Oxford Dictionary site, Wikipedia or Wiktionary.=3D20
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> Pure speculation, but it seems possible that the HCE idiom comes from =3D
> the Japanese katarau (=3DE8=3DAA=3D9E=3DE3=3D82=3D89=3DE3=3D81=3D86).
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> The earliest hit on the Internet I see in English is 1971.
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> http://bit.ly/1ZLu6Do
> National Geographic, Volume 139
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> One day I sat down to "talk story" (chat) with a group of Hana people =3D
> [probably people from Hana on Maui] whose memories go back a long way.
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> Benjamin Barrett
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