[Ads-l] RES: /hud/

[Paul A Johnston, Jr]

In Morristown, NJ, where I moved to at 14, there were no /hudz/--plenty of greasers or "Norkies".
Anyone else heard that one?  My guess is that it derives from "Newark", which can be pronounced [nOrk] in the area.

Paul
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> Southern California, 1960's. The hoods (rhymes with goods) were the
> guys wh=
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> smoked cigarettes out behind the gym and took shop. All the Grease
> characters woulda been hoods (rhymes with goods) to us.
> DAD
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> Assunto: Re: /hud/
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> Poster:       Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at YALE.EDU>
> Subject:      Re: /hud/
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> > On Jun 14, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Paul A Johnston, Jr =3D
> <paul.johnston at WMICH.EDU> wrote:
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> > When I lived in the Chicago suburbs as a boy (1956-64), /hud/ was
> > the
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> name for any sort of juvenile delinquent (or more likely, wannabe j.
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> d.--the town was too "Leave It To Beaver"-ish to have many real
> hoods.  =3D=
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> But it was always /hud/,never /hUd/, which is what you wore on top of
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> parka in the winter.  I've never met anyone else who used this =3D
> pronunciation.
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> > Paul
> 
> Did it originate as a spelling pronunciation, I wonder?  I've
> certainly =3D=
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> heard both /hud/-lum and /hUd/-lum and I can't even be sure which I
> say, =
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> but (growing up in NYC in the 50s) I've only ever heard /hUd/ as in
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> "good", not /hud/ as in "food", both for the J.D. and for the
> attached =3D
> head (or stove, or camera) cover.=3D20
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> >> Poster:       Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
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> >> I was surprised - no, startled - thirty-odd years ago when I first
> >>heard a Chicagoan pronounce "hood" (hoodlum; dangerous  criminal)
> >>with  the vowel of "too."
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> >> Back where I come from, "hoodlum" has that vowel, but "hood"
> >>  never
> >>does.
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