[Ads-l] almond

[Tom Zurinskas]

>From thefreedictionary.com I hear (in truespel) - US ~Baezzheeng, UK ~Baezzheeng and the phonetic icon shows and says ~Baejjeeng (double consonants start a stressed syllable).  The least used phoneme in English is ~zhhttps://www.speakpipe.com/voice-recorder/msg/5yxly32qsh3v2fg3  Click play arrow
Tom Zurinskas,  Originally SWConn 20 yrs,  college Tenn 3,  work NJ  33,  now FL 12.The need for truespel phonetics - http://justpaste.it/truespelnow 



> Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 09:54:48 +0000
> From: geoffnathan at WAYNE.EDU
> Subject: Re: almond
> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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> The /ae/ pronunciation is found in Canada as well, surprisingly, and there are other 'patriotic vowel' cases there too, similar to the ones found in GB. I agree that it's up for grabs who's showing their 'patriotism' vs. who's showing their 'sophistication'.
> 
> There's another sophistication phoneme that we've discussed extensively on this list (while we're coining new sociolinguistic terms I might as well claim mine..), namely /zh/ in place of /dzh/ in things like Beijing and Di Giorno.
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> > On May 26, 2016, at 7:04 PM, George Thompson <george.thompson at nyu.edu> =
> wrote:
> >=20
> > "i suspect this ash (rather than ah) is an instance of Patriotic =
> Vowels,
> > with ah perceived as foreign"
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> > "Patriotic Vowels" isn't in the recently-revised "P" section of the =
> OED.
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> > Will Arnold's message be the earliest recorded instance?
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> > GAT
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> I wonder, though.  "Pasta" for example gets an Italianate /a/ Stateside =
> but an /ae/ in the U.K., and IIRC there are other examples.  Who's =
> patriotic now?
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> LH
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> > On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 5:50 PM, Arnold M. Zwicky =
> <zwicky at stanford.edu>
> > wrote:
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> >>> On May 26, 2016, at 7:30 AM, Joan Hall <jdhall at WISC.EDU> wrote:
> >>>=20
> >>> DARE says that pronunciations with an "open o" and no "l" are
> >> "infrequent. It also shows that pronunciations with an ash are =
> especially
> >> frequent in California, where they are grown.
> >>=20
> >> i suspect this ash (rather than ah) is an instance of Patriotic =
> Vowels,
> >> with ah perceived as foreign --  in particular, British, or more
> >> significantly, (Mexican) Spanish in areas where there are significant
> >> numbers of such speakers (who are popularly categorized as =
> foreigners, no
> >> matter how long they've been residents, even unto 150 years).  lots =
> of this
> >> in place names: Colorado, Nevada, Los Gatos, Los Altos, Palo Alto, =
> etc.).
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> >> the idea is that "almond" with ah is Mexican, while ash is Real =
> American.
> >>=20
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