[Ads-l] almond

[Laurence Horn]

> On May 27, 2016, at 5:54 AM, Geoffrey Steven Nathan <geoffnathan at WAYNE.EDU> wrote:
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> The /ae/ pronunciation is found in Canada as well, surprisingly, and there are other 'patriotic vowel' cases there too, similar to the ones found in GB. I agree that it's up for grabs who's showing their 'patriotism' vs. who's showing their 'sophistication'.
> 
> There's another sophistication phoneme that we've discussed extensively on this list (while we're coining new sociolinguistic terms I might as well claim mine..), namely /zh/ in place of /dzh/ in things like Beijing and Di Giorno.

That's the Freedom Phoneme--plus français que les Français.

LH
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>> On May 26, 2016, at 7:04 PM, George Thompson <george.thompson at nyu.edu> =
> wrote:
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>> "i suspect this ash (rather than ah) is an instance of Patriotic =
> Vowels,
>> with ah perceived as foreign"
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>> "Patriotic Vowels" isn't in the recently-revised "P" section of the =
> OED.
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>> Will Arnold's message be the earliest recorded instance?
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>> GAT
> 
> I wonder, though.  "Pasta" for example gets an Italianate /a/ Stateside =
> but an /ae/ in the U.K., and IIRC there are other examples.  Who's =
> patriotic now?
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> LH
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>> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 5:50 PM, Arnold M. Zwicky =
> <zwicky at stanford.edu>
>> wrote:
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>>>> On May 26, 2016, at 7:30 AM, Joan Hall <jdhall at WISC.EDU> wrote:
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>>>> DARE says that pronunciations with an "open o" and no "l" are
>>> "infrequent. It also shows that pronunciations with an ash are =
> especially
>>> frequent in California, where they are grown.
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>>> i suspect this ash (rather than ah) is an instance of Patriotic =
> Vowels,
>>> with ah perceived as foreign --  in particular, British, or more
>>> significantly, (Mexican) Spanish in areas where there are significant
>>> numbers of such speakers (who are popularly categorized as =
> foreigners, no
>>> matter how long they've been residents, even unto 150 years).  lots =
> of this
>>> in place names: Colorado, Nevada, Los Gatos, Los Altos, Palo Alto, =
> etc.).
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>>> the idea is that "almond" with ah is Mexican, while ash is Real =
> American.
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