[Ads-l] Urban legend? Or fact?
Robin Hamilton
robin.hamilton3 at VIRGINMEDIA.COM
Thu Oct 6 15:04:57 UTC 2016
I go for two syllables when I use it as a noun ("best beloved", as in the
Kipling _Just So_ stories, whether or not that was the way he pronounced it --
from the Arabian Nights originally?) and three when it's an adjective ("beloved
friend").
[But whether this is dialect, idiolect, convention, or just plain confusion on
my part, deponent avereth naught.]
Also, for what it's worth, I pronounce "striped" with long diphthong.
Robin Hamilton
>
> On 06 October 2016 at 15:41 Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at YALE.EDU> wrote:
>
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> > On Oct 6, 2016, at 10:13 AM, Jim Parish <jparish at SIUE.EDU> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not so sure: "his beloved books" and similar constructions seem to
> > me to call for the trisyllable.
> >
> > Jim Parish
>
> Yeah, maybe I was a bit hasty on the "usually". There may be a general
> distinction between attributive and predicative uses; "X is beloved by all" is
> definitely bisyllabic for me. Has this been discussed anywhere?
>
> LH
>
>
> P.S. Are there any speakers who rhyme "baked" and "naked"?
>
>
> >
> > On 10/6/2016 9:02 AM, Laurence Horn wrote:
> >> There's also "beloved". I think it's always "dearly belov-ed", but
> >> otherwise usually two syllables rather than three.
> >>
> >> LH
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:42 PM, Joel Berson <berson at ATT.NET> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The only one I vacilalte about is "learned", vs. "learn-ed" when I
> >>> want to say it as an adjective. And for the adj. in writing, I want to
> >>> add an acute accent to the second "e".
> >>>
> >>> Joel
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Dave Hause <dwhause at CABLEMO.NET>
> >>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2016 11:35 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [ADS-L] Urban legend? Or fact?
> >>>
> >>> AUGGHH! Until you asked, it hadn't occurred to me. Now, the answer has
> >>> suddenly become, "I think maybe it is, sometimes, but I can't be sure
> >>> of the
> >>> circumstances." But I know it doesn't sound dysphonious. Inconclusive
> >>> self-analysis!
> >>> Dave Hause
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Wilson Gray
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 9:17 PM
> >>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >>> Subject: Urban legend? Or fact?
> >>>
> >>> Agent Orange - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
> >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Agent-5FOrange&d=CwIFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=wFp3X4Mu39hB2bf13gtz0ZpW1TsSxPIWYiZRsMFFaLQ&m=wlk3fYUlu36LThnA2K8ZWmAmBV-PVfzh2ohzp_EHwvg&s=4KBpq-z5bNmTBs-jFD5v1dyEh65MCW-N-YzjWj2eMhw&e=
> >>> It was given its name from the color of the orange-striped barrels in
> >>> which
> >>> it was shipped and was, by far, the most widely-used of the so-called
> >>> "rainbow herbicides."
> >>>
> >>> And is _striped_ disyllabic for anyone else but me?
> >>> --
> >>> -Wilson
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