[Ads-l] Urban legend? Or fact?

Laurence Horn laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
Thu Oct 6 11:42:48 EDT 2016


> On Oct 6, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Robin Hamilton <robin.hamilton3 at VIRGINMEDIA.COM> wrote:
> 
> I go for two syllables when I use it as a noun ("best beloved", as in the
> Kipling _Just So_ stories, whether or not that was the way he pronounced it --
> from the Arabian Nights originally?) and three when it's an adjective ("beloved
> friend").

Even predicative ("X is widely beloved/beloved by all")?  For me, as noted, these are bi-, not tri-.  And they're adjectives.  ("Despitehis many scandals, he remains beloved to many")

LH
> 
> [But whether this is dialect, idiolect, convention, or just plain confusion on
> my part, deponent avereth naught.]
> 
> Also, for what it's worth, I pronounce "striped" with long diphthong.
> 
> Robin Hamilton
> 
>> 
>>    On 06 October 2016 at 15:41 Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at YALE.EDU> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 6, 2016, at 10:13 AM, Jim Parish <jparish at SIUE.EDU> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm not so sure: "his beloved books" and similar constructions seem to
>>> me to call for the trisyllable.
>>> 
>>> Jim Parish
>> 
>>    Yeah, maybe I was a bit hasty on the "usually". There may be a general
>> distinction between attributive and predicative uses; "X is beloved by all" is
>> definitely bisyllabic for me. Has this been discussed anywhere?
>> 
>>    LH
>> 
>> 
>>    P.S. Are there any speakers who rhyme "baked" and "naked"?
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/6/2016 9:02 AM, Laurence Horn wrote:
>>>> There's also "beloved". I think it's always "dearly belov-ed", but
>>>> otherwise usually two syllables rather than three.
>>>> 
>>>> LH
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:42 PM, Joel Berson <berson at ATT.NET> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The only one I vacilalte about is "learned", vs. "learn-ed" when I
>>>>> want to say it as an adjective. And for the adj. in writing, I want to
>>>>> add an acute accent to the second "e".
>>>>> 
>>>>> Joel
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Dave Hause <dwhause at CABLEMO.NET>
>>>>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2016 11:35 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [ADS-L] Urban legend? Or fact?
>>>>> 
>>>>> AUGGHH! Until you asked, it hadn't occurred to me. Now, the answer has
>>>>> suddenly become, "I think maybe it is, sometimes, but I can't be sure
>>>>> of the
>>>>> circumstances." But I know it doesn't sound dysphonious. Inconclusive
>>>>> self-analysis!
>>>>> Dave Hause
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Wilson Gray
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 9:17 PM
>>>>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>>>> Subject: Urban legend? Or fact?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Agent Orange - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Agent-5FOrange&d=CwIFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=wFp3X4Mu39hB2bf13gtz0ZpW1TsSxPIWYiZRsMFFaLQ&m=wlk3fYUlu36LThnA2K8ZWmAmBV-PVfzh2ohzp_EHwvg&s=4KBpq-z5bNmTBs-jFD5v1dyEh65MCW-N-YzjWj2eMhw&e=
>>>>> It was given its name from the color of the orange-striped barrels in
>>>>> which
>>>>> it was shipped and was, by far, the most widely-used of the so-called
>>>>> "rainbow herbicides."
>>>>> 
>>>>> And is _striped_ disyllabic for anyone else but me?
>>>>> --
>>>>> -Wilson
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