[Ads-l] dark poll

Thu Oct 27 14:15:02 UTC 2016

"For you, it exists?"

It may "exist" for Humpty Dumpty too, but that doesn't make it real.

If Saucermen from Planet Elmo exist "for me," it makes no difference to
verifiable reality. They remain a fantasy.

Wouldn't it be truly effective only if most or all of the (supposedly...)
competing polls were "dark"?

"Dark," by the by, is an odd word-choice. Perhaps somebody was
misremembering "black ops" and  "black budgets."

Still waiting for evidence of "dark polling" as a viable enterprise outside
of  state-run media.

JL

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:16 AM, Dan Goncharoff <thegonch at gmail.com> wrote:

> If you think Reuters is manipulating its poll results to favor the
> Democrats, then, for you, it exists. (Check Breitbart if you are truly
> interested.)
>
> On Oct 27, 2016 6:44 AM, "Jonathan Lighter" <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The question remains: do what "they" call "dark polls" even exist -
> > outside, perhaps, of places like Russia?
> >
> > And do "they" encompass anybody beyond Mr. DT and his alt-right buddies?
> >
> > JL
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 11:33 PM, Dan Goncharoff <thegonch at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I believe that Trump believes that any poll that shows him losing is
> > > purposely trying to make him lose = a dark poll.
> > >
> > > On Oct 26, 2016 7:46 PM, "Laurence Horn" <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > On Oct 26, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Dan Goncharoff <thegonch at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Sure -- all the wrong ones.
> > > > >
> > > > > There have always been accusations against polling organizations
> that
> > > > they
> > > > > are biased, either intentionally or not. Didn't the Goldwater
> > campaign
> > > > > accuse the Gallup organization of being a "propaganda machine"?
> > (Didn't
> > > > the
> > > > > Gallup organization predict Romney the victor over Obama?)
> > > > >
> > > > > DanG
> > > >
> > > > I know there were some Republican-friendly polls that were apparently
> > > > widely believed at the time that predicted Romney, but I don't recall
> > > > whether Gallup was among them.  There was the famous example (I
> assume
> > > > actual and not apocryphal) of polls that predicted a landslide defeat
> > of
> > > > the Democratic candidate (Truman vs. Dewey? FDR vs. somebody?) that
> was
> > > > flawed by having been conducted by telephone at a time when many
> voters
> > > > were too poor to have one.  But that wasn't a dark poll, just a
> stupid
> > > one.
> > > >
> > > > LH
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 6:41 AM, Jonathan Lighter <
> > > > wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Have we any proof that "they" call "them" "dark polls"?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> That seems like a very strange concept for any polling
> organization.
> > > The
> > > > >> "dark polls" that the T---p alluded to were polls from prominent,
> > > > reputable
> > > > >> sources indicating he's behind.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Can anyone cite some actual, phony "dark polls" in the United
> > States?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> JL
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Berson at att.net <Berson at att.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> One Tweet, according to Rachel Maddow just now, has "the the
> > Trump."
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I am reminded of that other sociopath, Zippy the Pinhead's "Mr.
> The
> > > > >> Toad."
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> If I have his name right.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Joel
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> ------ Original message------
> > > > >>> *From: *Jonathan Lighter
> > > > >>> *Date: *Mon, Oct 24, 2016 5:48 PM
> > > > >>> *To: *ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU;
> > > > >>> *Subject:*[ADS-L] dark poll
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> T---p (or, as he now styles himself, "t
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> "the T---p"):
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> "They call them 'dark polls.'
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> They are phony polls put out
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> by phonymedia...to suppress
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> the vote."
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> JL-- "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't
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