[Ads-l] dark poll

[Dan Goncharoff]

Reuters isn't a viable enterprise outside of state-run media?

DanG

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> "For you, it exists?"
>
> It may "exist" for Humpty Dumpty too, but that doesn't make it real.
>
> If Saucermen from Planet Elmo exist "for me," it makes no difference to
> verifiable reality. They remain a fantasy.
>
> Wouldn't it be truly effective only if most or all of the (supposedly...)
> competing polls were "dark"?
>
> "Dark," by the by, is an odd word-choice. Perhaps somebody was
> misremembering "black ops" and  "black budgets."
>
> Still waiting for evidence of "dark polling" as a viable enterprise outside
> of  state-run media.
>
> JL
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:16 AM, Dan Goncharoff <thegonch at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > If you think Reuters is manipulating its poll results to favor the
> > Democrats, then, for you, it exists. (Check Breitbart if you are truly
> > interested.)
> >
> > On Oct 27, 2016 6:44 AM, "Jonathan Lighter" <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The question remains: do what "they" call "dark polls" even exist -
> > > outside, perhaps, of places like Russia?
> > >
> > > And do "they" encompass anybody beyond Mr. DT and his alt-right
> buddies?
> > >
> > > JL
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 11:33 PM, Dan Goncharoff <thegonch at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I believe that Trump believes that any poll that shows him losing is
> > > > purposely trying to make him lose = a dark poll.
> > > >
> > > > On Oct 26, 2016 7:46 PM, "Laurence Horn" <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > On Oct 26, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Dan Goncharoff <thegonch at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sure -- all the wrong ones.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There have always been accusations against polling organizations
> > that
> > > > > they
> > > > > > are biased, either intentionally or not. Didn't the Goldwater
> > > campaign
> > > > > > accuse the Gallup organization of being a "propaganda machine"?
> > > (Didn't
> > > > > the
> > > > > > Gallup organization predict Romney the victor over Obama?)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > DanG
> > > > >
> > > > > I know there were some Republican-friendly polls that were
> apparently
> > > > > widely believed at the time that predicted Romney, but I don't
> recall
> > > > > whether Gallup was among them.  There was the famous example (I
> > assume
> > > > > actual and not apocryphal) of polls that predicted a landslide
> defeat
> > > of
> > > > > the Democratic candidate (Truman vs. Dewey? FDR vs. somebody?) that
> > was
> > > > > flawed by having been conducted by telephone at a time when many
> > voters
> > > > > were too poor to have one.  But that wasn't a dark poll, just a
> > stupid
> > > > one.
> > > > >
> > > > > LH
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 6:41 AM, Jonathan Lighter <
> > > > > wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Have we any proof that "they" call "them" "dark polls"?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> That seems like a very strange concept for any polling
> > organization.
> > > > The
> > > > > >> "dark polls" that the T---p alluded to were polls from
> prominent,
> > > > > reputable
> > > > > >> sources indicating he's behind.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Can anyone cite some actual, phony "dark polls" in the United
> > > States?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> JL
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Berson at att.net <Berson at att.net
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> One Tweet, according to Rachel Maddow just now, has "the the
> > > Trump."
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I am reminded of that other sociopath, Zippy the Pinhead's "Mr.
> > The
> > > > > >> Toad."
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> If I have his name right.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Joel
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> ------ Original message------
> > > > > >>> *From: *Jonathan Lighter
> > > > > >>> *Date: *Mon, Oct 24, 2016 5:48 PM
> > > > > >>> *To: *ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU;
> > > > > >>> *Subject:*[ADS-L] dark poll
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> T---p (or, as he now styles himself, "t
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> "the T---p"):
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> "They call them 'dark polls.'
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> They are phony polls put out
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> by phonymedia...to suppress
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> the vote."
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> JL-- "If the truth is half as bad as I think it is, you can't
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