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Seeger (Pete, that is) also recorded "Pretty Saro" - long before Iris Dement.

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MARGARET E WINTERS
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Professor Emerita - French and Linguistics
Wayne State University
Detroit, MI  48202

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> On Aug 6, 2017, at 4:05 PM, Margaret Winters <mewinters at WAYNE.EDU> wrote:
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> When I lived in S. Illinois I was told to use the vowel in Karo syrop for the the city where the Mississippi and the Ohio rivers meet - I'm not a native speaker (at all!) but was told this by locals.
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> I've always assumed that Pretty Saro was a nickname for Sarah and thus that the vowel is similar.
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> Margaret

Agreed on both counts.  I mostly know Cairo as a poker variant—7 stud low hand splits pot with low hole card.  (The low variant of Chicago.)  Pronounced like the syrup, which some players assumed was the actual name of the variant, but of course motivated by the fact that Cairo (which features in Huckleberry Finn, and pronounced correctly on the audio version I was listening to) is as low (South) as you can get and still be in Illinois—but crucially for the book was therefore not located in a slave state.

For Pretty Saro:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Saro
Pretty Saro - Wikipedia<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Saro>
en.wikipedia.org
Pretty Saro (Roud 417) is an English folk ballad originating in the early 1700s. The song died out in England by the mid eighteenth century but was rediscovered in ...

http://www.greatwhatsit.com/archives/15884
Pretty Saro « The Great Whatsit<http://www.greatwhatsit.com/archives/15884>
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Sometimes a song is more than a song. Sometimes you hear a song for the first time when your heart is breaking. When you are left and lost and sure no one has ever ...

Curious about the long discontinuity in its history.  I really like the Iris Dement cover, but Jean Ritchie’s isn’t shabby either.  Hey, just found the former on youtube:
https://tinyurl.com/y853uysk

Definitely rhymes with Karo/pharoah

LH

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> Wayne State University
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>> On Aug 6, 2017, at 2:23 PM, Barretts Mail <mail.barretts at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
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>> Does this mean “pair oh”? I’ve never heard a Cairoite pronounce the town’s name. BB
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> Like “Karo”, the corn syrup
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>>> On 6 Aug 2017, at 11:17, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
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>>> "Arrow" rhymes with "sparrow," "marrow," and "harrow," but "aero" rhymes
>>> with the local pronunciation of "Cairo," Illinois. Or "pair o'," as in
>>> "pair o' words that rhyme."
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>>> At least for me.
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>>> JL
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>>> On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Peter Reitan <pjreitan at hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> Is there any other way to pronounce it?
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>>>> I remember seeing a linguistics educational cartoon in Jr. High.
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>>>> In one of the scenes, a character says that he can determine where someone
>>>> is from by they way they pronounce the words "merry," "Mary" and "marry."
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>>>> I remember thinking - "but they are all pronounced the same!"  Only years
>>>> later, when I went East for school, did I appreciate the various ways some
>>>> people distinguish among those words.
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>>>> I guess I feel the same way about aero and arrow.
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>>>> There might be a difference in my pronunciation, but I think they=E2=80=99=
>>>> re the same. BB
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>>>>> On 6 Aug 2017, at 07:19, James A. Landau <JJJRLandau at NETSCAPE.COM> =
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>>>>> At a meeting this week, two different people pronounced "aerospace" as =
>>>> something close to /arrow-space/.  Has anyone else heard this?
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>>>>> - Jim Landau
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