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Mon Sep 11 22:13:14 UTC 2017

But remember that "slut" went unisex maybe 20 years ago.

JL

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:

> [I don’t know what’s up. Not only have I changed apps, but I’ve also even
> changed machines, and quotation _still_ doesn’t work properly!].
>
> > Things began to change, I think, around 1970, but took another generation
> to become
> >  undeniably obvious.
>
> Sigh! Woe worth the day!
>
> I probably shouldn’t be complaining, given that standard man-talk has been
> similarly emasculated. Besides, “allowing” - speaking of “scare quotes” -
> chicks to use guy-talk without being automatically qualified as trollops
> and fishwives is a very small concession of male power.
>
> BTW, ever notice that women are no longer routinely referred to as
> “battle-axes”? I wouldn’t be surprised that there were people here unaware
> that this term - and its more-learned brothers, “virago” et sim. - were
> ever routinelyapplied to women as commo insults.
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 9:52 AM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > My impressions as an NYC white guy were very much the same.  Things began
> > to change, I think, around 1970, but took another generation to become
> > undeniably obvious.
> >
> > JL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 4:40 AM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > So sexist!
> > >
> > > Can’t help it. Back in my youth, it was assumed that women and girls
> were
> > > unaware of any slang terms of a sexual nature or any other kind of “bad
> > > word” or even of “non-standard” slang, in general, because they had
> never
> > > heard them, since no gentleman used such language in the presence of a
> > > lady.
> > >
> > > This led to such oddities as a college classmate tittering to me a joke
> > > whose punch-line contained the phrase, “God damn.” I heard a cruder
> > version
> > > of the same joke when I was in the first grade, for heaven’s sake. The
> > > punch-line of her version:
> > >
> > > “Will you pass those Goddamn peas?!”
> > >
> > > The punch-line that I heard in the first grade was:
> > >
> > > “Pass them peas before I shit on you!”
> > >
> > > Another time, I was startled to hear a female friend use “cocksman.” If
> > she
> > > had had the slightest clue as to the meaning of _cock_ in that term -
> the
> > > mirror-image of what it means in standard English, but still… -  she
> > would
> > > have cut her tongue out before using it
> > >
> > > It was this that led me to claim, in these pages, that women knew
> nothing
> > > about slang. Nowadays, thanks to the popularity of rap and hip-hop,
> once
> > > thuggishly-manly turns of phrase have been totally emasculated. I hear
> > > white women in sit-coms casually using language that, in my lost youth,
> > > _black_women had never heard and wouldn’t have understood, if they had
> > > heard it, as in the case cited. There was a commercial featuring two
> > white
> > > ladies at a table at a sidewalk cafe. A good-looking man passes by and
> > one
> > > white lady says to the other, “I’d like to hit that!” On another
> > sit-com, a
> > > white lady used the phrase, “split it, hit it, and quit it.”
> > >
> > > Lord have mercy! In my day, only the crudest, no-class,
> > > reform-school-drop-out rogues hanging on the corner smoking reefer on
> the
> > > poor side of Darktown would use those turns of phrase! In fact, at that
> > > time, it wouldn’t even have been grammatical for a woman to say, “I‘d
> > like
> > > to hit that,” as Larry has demonstrated, writing pseudonymously, in a
> > paper
> > > published in the McCawley festschrift, Studies out in Left Field.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 7:56 PM, Jonathan Lighter <
> > wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > So sexist!
> > > >
> > > > JL
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > How about syn. “junk"?
> > > > >
> > > > > I don’t know. Isn’t that just for guys?
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Jonathan Lighter <
> > > > wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > How about syn. "junk"?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > JL
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 11:48 PM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > "8. in sexual contexts [20C+ use is usu. US black].”
> > > > > > >       (a) the [vulva]… fig. used as female sexuality.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Usu. US black” is certainly true, in my experience. It’s a
> clip
> > of
> > > > > _that
> > > > > > > good stuff_ , a quasi-euphemistic alternate term for _pussy_.
> > > > However,
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > appears to be breaking the bonds of race, sex, and
> nationality..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here’s an instance of its use by a black Englishwoman:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > “He sat next to me and started touching my stuff.”
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-41038652/he-touched-my-
> > > > > > back-down-to-my-bum
> > > > > > > ca.0:03
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also, as is the case with _tap that ass_, the term has clearly
> > lost
> > > > its
> > > > > > > former level-10 obscenity.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > -Wilson
> > > > > > > -----
> > > > > > > All say, "How hard it is that we have to die!"---a strange
> > > complaint
> > > > to
> > > > > > > come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
> > > > > > > -Mark Twain
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> -Wilson
> -----
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> come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
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