[Ads-l] Wikipedia Claim About "Jazz"

Tue Apr 16 19:19:33 UTC 2019

Gerald, I would like to get a copy of the "Jazz" book.  Also, I seem to have inadvertently let my subscription to Comments on Etymology lapse, and I would like to renew that.  What will the total be?  Do you take PayPal?

John Baker

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I'm grateful to John for correcting the Wikipedia

item on the word "jazz." Would it perhaps also be possible to update the reference to my 2005

Comments on Etymology working paper (Draft

#3)? That working paper should be replaced by

the book I authored (with due credit always given) titled _Origin Of The Term "Jazz"_ (self-published, 2015), 193 pages. A copy is available in the library

of Missouri University of Science & Technology.

It represents 25+ years of research and is the most

complete treatment of the subject.

Btw, the publishing project is non-profit (per copy:

$25 + $10 mailing costs; book has soft cover).

I have about 40 copies left. It would be good if

a few more libraries could have a copy.

Gerald Cohen

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I try to keep an eye on changes to the Wikipedia article on "Jazz (word)" (=
which, as some may recall, I originally drafted), but that one slipped by m=
e. As it happens, the cited source does say that Holbrook found "jazz" use=
d in the San Francisco Bulletin in 1906. But since that seems not to be th=
e case, I have deleted the statement from the Wikipedia article.

John Baker

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Stephen and Fred are justified in their skepticism

of the supposed March 3, 1906 attestation of "jazz"

in the San Francisco Bulletin (supposedly located by Holbrook).

To be clear: That supposed 1906 attestation does not

exist. And Dick Holbrook certainly never suggested

it did. Holbrook's most important discovery was

an April 5, 1913 article in the San Francisco Bulletin

in which "jazz" is described as "a futurist word which

has just joined the language."

If the writer of the Wikipedia item would like any guidance on this, I'll b=
e happy to provide it.

Gerald Cohen

author of _Origin of the Term "Jazz"_, 2015.

(includes the detailed contributions of

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Others here know more about jazz than I, but I suspect an error, perhaps a =
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typo. The 1903 claim apparently was added in a 12 Feb. 2019 edit by Vmavant=
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i, who is apparently a senior editor, and claimed to have added "sourced ma=
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terial." (A wiki vet maybe could contact him or her.) But this is not clear=
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ly sourced. Was it putatively Dick Horton but mentioned in an unnoticed pub=
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lication (such as a letter to Storyville?) or Horton orally as re-reported =
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by Richard M. Sudhalter (Lost Chords, a 2001 book)? It's hard to imagine th=
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at any such report went unnoticed till last month. Also, besides the early =
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1903 date, at least in the snippet quoted, it seems a later development, as=
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if jazz is already understood, and this is a special extreme form of it. B=
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ut others know more.

SG

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