[Ads-l] Wikipedia Claim About "Jazz"

Tue Apr 16 19:38:09 UTC 2019

I asked:

> To order, make a check of $35 (thirty-five) payable to Missouri
University of Science & Technology and mail to me at:
(Prof.) Gerald Cohen
Dept. of Arts, Languages, & Philosophy
217 Castleman Hall
Missouri University of Science & Technology
Rolla, MO 65409.

On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 2:24 PM Baker, John <JBAKER at stradley.com> wrote:

> Gerald, I would like to get a copy of the "Jazz" book.  Also, I seem to
> have inadvertently let my subscription to Comments on Etymology lapse, and
> I would like to renew that.  What will the total be?  Do you take PayPal?
>
>
> John Baker
>
>
>
> From: American Dialect Society [mailto:ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf
> Of Cohen, Gerald Leonard
> Sent: Tuesday 26 March 2019 11:43 AM
> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Wikipedia Claim About "Jazz"
>
> I'm grateful to John for correcting the Wikipedia
>
> item on the word "jazz." Would it perhaps also be possible to update the
> reference to my 2005
>
> Comments on Etymology working paper (Draft
>
> #3)? That working paper should be replaced by
>
> the book I authored (with due credit always given) titled _Origin Of The
> Term "Jazz"_ (self-published, 2015), 193 pages. A copy is available in the
> library
>
> of Missouri University of Science & Technology.
>
> It represents 25+ years of research and is the most
>
> complete treatment of the subject.
>
> Btw, the publishing project is non-profit (per copy:
>
> $25 + $10 mailing costs; book has soft cover).
>
> I have about 40 copies left. It would be good if
>
> a few more libraries could have a copy.
>
>
> Gerald Cohen
>
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> Baker, John <JBAKER at STRADLEY.COM>
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 6:20 PM
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> Subject: Re: Wikipedia Claim About "Jazz"
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> Subject: Re: Wikipedia Claim About "Jazz"
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> I try to keep an eye on changes to the Wikipedia article on "Jazz (word)"
> (=
> which, as some may recall, I originally drafted), but that one slipped by
> m=
> e. As it happens, the cited source does say that Holbrook found "jazz" use=
> d in the San Francisco Bulletin in 1906. But since that seems not to be th=
> e case, I have deleted the statement from the Wikipedia article.
>
>
> John Baker
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>
> From: American Dialect Society [mailto:ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf
> Of=
> Cohen, Gerald Leonard
> Sent: Monday 25 March 2019 8:54 AM
> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Wikipedia Claim About "Jazz"
>
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> Stephen and Fred are justified in their skepticism
>
> of the supposed March 3, 1906 attestation of "jazz"
>
> in the San Francisco Bulletin (supposedly located by Holbrook).
>
>
> To be clear: That supposed 1906 attestation does not
>
> exist. And Dick Holbrook certainly never suggested
>
> it did. Holbrook's most important discovery was
>
> an April 5, 1913 article in the San Francisco Bulletin
>
> in which "jazz" is described as "a futurist word which
>
> has just joined the language."
>
>
> If the writer of the Wikipedia item would like any guidance on this, I'll
> b=
> e happy to provide it.
>
>
> Gerald Cohen
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> author of _Origin of the Term "Jazz"_, 2015.
>
> (includes the detailed contributions of
>
> ads-l members)
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> n Goranson <goranson at DUKE.EDU>
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 7:20 AM
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> Others here know more about jazz than I, but I suspect an error, perhaps a
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> typo. The 1903 claim apparently was added in a 12 Feb. 2019 edit by
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> i, who is apparently a senior editor, and claimed to have added "sourced
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> terial." (A wiki vet maybe could contact him or her.) But this is not
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> ly sourced. Was it putatively Dick Horton but mentioned in an unnoticed
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> lication (such as a letter to Storyville?) or Horton orally as re-reported
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> by Richard M. Sudhalter (Lost Chords, a 2001 book)? It's hard to imagine
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> at any such report went unnoticed till last month. Also, besides the early
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> 1903 date, at least in the snippet quoted, it seems a later development,
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> if jazz is already understood, and this is a special extreme form of it. B=
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> ut others know more.
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>
> SG
>
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> Shapir=
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> o, Fred <fred.shapiro at YALE.EDU>
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 6:36:43 AM
> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> Subject: [ADS-L] Wikipedia Claim About "Jazz"
>
> I notice the Wikipedia article on "Jazz (Word)" makes the following
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> Fred Shapiro
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