[Ads-l] "sucker punch" 1910 etc.

[Mark Mandel]

Thank you, Garson, for the clarification and image. I did not think it was
yours, but of course I couldn't tell.

MAM


On Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 9:36 PM ADSGarson O'Toole <adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Mark Mandel wrote:
> > This is ungrammatical. I think the "for" wasn't supposed to be there.
> >
> > the effective high block *for which made Fitz's right look *like a sucker
> > punch
>
> This is a just a note to say that the apparently ungrammatical text is
> in the original newspaper image. (Thus, in this case I did not
> introduce an error.)
> https://www.newspapers.com/clip/34185986/suckerpunch/
>
> The paragraph with the target phrase "sucker punch" is located in the
> paragraph that begins with"At times one saw".
> Garson
>
> > On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 8:13 PM Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > the punch is aimed at the sucker
> > >
> > > That has been my unfortunate, personal experience, having been that
> sucker.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 9:22 AM Jonathan Lighter <
> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > As I read it, the 1899 "sucker punch" means a foolish one.
> > > >
> > > > In  the later exx., the punch is aimed at the sucker; I believe in
> 1899
> > > it
> > > > is thrown by thim.
> > > >
> > > > JL
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 9:13 AM ADSGarson O'Toole <
> > > > adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Here is an instance of "sucker punch" in 1899. The context is
> boxing,
> > > > > but I am not certain of the meaning. Perhaps you have already seen
> it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Date: June 12, 1899
> > > > > Newspaper: The Buffalo Review
> > > > > Newspaper Location: Buffalo, New York
> > > > > Article: "The King Is Dead, Long Live the King"
> > > > > Quote Page 1, Column 5
> > > > > Database: Newspapers.com
> > > > >
> https://www.newspapers.com/image/354436445/?terms=%22sucker%2Bpunch%22
> > > > >
> > > > > [Begin excerpt]
> > > > > At times one saw the influence of Daly in the use of the left at
> close
> > > > > quarters and
> > > *the effective high block for which made Fitz's right look > > like a
> > > sucker punch*. They say that a fighter forgets his pictured
> > > > > attitude when in the ring.
> > > > > [End excerpt]
> > > > >
> > > > > Garson
>
>

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