[Ads-l] Wikipedia Claim About "Jazz"

Wed Mar 27 15:48:03 UTC 2019

The old Wikipedia claim is clearly a reference to the known use of "jazz" in the San Francisco Bulletin on March 3, 1913; for some reason, Wikipedia's source erroneously gave the date as 1906, not 1913.  The source is Richard Sudhalter, Lost Chords: White Musicians and their Contribution to Jazz, 1915-1945.  According to Sudhalter, "A March 3, 1906, sports item in the San Francisco Bulletin refers to a promising baseball player as "very much to the 'jazz.'""  Its meaning, as explained by the author, is somewhere between "pep" and "enthusiasm," and it turns up increasingly in such sports feature stories."  That precisely fits Scoop Gleeson's story of March 3, 1913.

The Wikipedia editor made some mistakes in reflecting Sudhalter's book, including changing the quoted words to "very much in the jazz."

John Baker

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Here's a footnote to the subject:

Dick Holbrook wrote two items on jazz:

1. 1965 -- Jazz Rustitutions, No. 9,

Vintage Jazz Mart, pp. 4-5.

2. 1973-1974. Our Word "Jazz". Storyville

(Dec. 1973-Jan. 1974). Pp. 46-58.

Neither item mentions the supposed

March 3, 1906 "jazz" attestation in the

San Francisco Bulletin.

Gerald Cohen

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On Tuesday, March 26, 2019 Gerald Cohen wrote:

I'm grateful to John for correcting the Wikipedia
item on the word "jazz." Would it perhaps also be
possible to update the reference to my 2005
Comments on Etymology working paper (Draft
#3)? That working paper should be replaced by
the book I authored (with due credit always given)
titled _Origin Of The Term "Jazz"_ (self-published, 2015),
193 pages. A copy is available in the library
of Missouri University of Science & Technology.
It represents 25+ years of research and is the most
complete treatment of the subject.

Btw, the publishing project is non-profit (per copy:
$25 + $10 mailing costs; book has soft cover).
I have about 40 copies left. It would be good if
a few more libraries could have a copy.

Gerald Cohen

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I try to keep an eye on changes to the Wikipedia article
on "Jazz (word)" (which, as some may recall, I originally drafted), but that one slipped by me.
As it happens, the cited source does say that Holbrook
found "jazz" used in the San Francisco Bulletin in 1906.
But since that seems not to be the case, I have deleted
the statement from the Wikipedia article.

John Baker

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Stephen and Fred are justified in their skepticism

of the supposed March 3, 1906 attestation of "jazz"

in the San Francisco Bulletin (supposedly located by Holbrook).

To be clear: That supposed 1906 attestation does not

exist. And Dick Holbrook certainly never suggested

it did. Holbrook's most important discovery was

an April 5, 1913 article in the San Francisco Bulletin

in which "jazz" is described as "a futurist word which

has just joined the language."

If the writer of the Wikipedia item would like any guidance on this, I'll b=
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Gerald Cohen

author of _Origin of the Term "Jazz"_, 2015.

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Others here know more about jazz than I, but I suspect an error, perhaps a =
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typo. The 1903 claim apparently was added in a 12 Feb. 2019 edit by Vmavant=
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ut others know more.

SG

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