[Ads-l] Latinx

Dan Goncharoff thegonch at GMAIL.COM
Mon Aug 17 12:58:15 EDT 2020


Surveys show that most Latino people have never heard the term "Latinx",
and most of those who have hate it.

https://medium.com/@ThinkNowTweets/progressive-latino-pollster-trust-me-latinos-do-not-identify-with-latinx-63229adebcea

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2020/08/11/901398248/hispanic-latino-or-latinx-survey-says

But don't let that stop you speaking for them ..

On Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 11:08 AM Bethan Tovey-Walsh <accounts at bethan.wales>
wrote:

> > If we're restricting ourselves to spelling, I vote for {Latinex}
> But why do you believe you should get a vote? What I’m seeing here is a
> bunch of white-passing people pronouncing on the name a particular subset
> of a minority group has proposed as a descriptor for themselves and others
> like them. If those who are supposed to be described by “Latinx” object to
> it (as some do), they will do so. If enough object to it, or are
> indifferent towards it, it will probably die out. If enough are pleased
> with it and adopt it, it will survive. Neither of those possible fates is
> the business of a bunch of non-Latinx people grouching about how “absurd”
> the term is on an academic mailing list.
>
> By the way, “Hispanic” and “Latin”/“Latino”/“Latina”/“Latinx” refer to
> different, though overlapping, groups (and neither term is necessarily
> popular amongst those it purports to include). I’m surprised that you have
> such “energetic” views about this subject and yet haven’t come across this
> basic bit of information.
>
> (My sincere apologies to anyone if I have misconstrued their ethnicity; I
> know most of you by reputation and public persona, which offers cues, but
> not certainty.)
>
> Bethan
>
> ___________________________________________________
> Dr. Bethan Tovey-Walsh
>
> Myfyrwraig PhD | PhD Student CorCenCC
> Prifysgol Abertawe | Swansea University
>
> CV: LinkedIn
>
> Croeso i chi ysgrifennu ataf yn y Gymraeg.
> On 17 Aug 2020, 15:50 +0100, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>,
> wrote:
> > Except that {Latinx}looks like, and by every rule of orthography ought to
> > be pronounced, "latinks," which is self-defeating, no? {Czech}, on
> > the other hand, had no equally confusing rival pronunciation, because the
> > "cz" spelling was a simple importation. Approximations like "tsek" or
> > "sek" are hardly analogous to "latinks."
> >
> > There's nothing insensitive about saying a spelling is absurd, especially
> > one created ad hoc by presumably lsensitive people. What rule says that
> > {Latinx} should not be pronounced "latinks"? Of course, by purely
> > linguistic reasoning, "latinks" should be fine, but I doubt it would gin
> up
> > much enthusiasm. Myself, I'd hesitate to use it, for fear of being called
> > obtuse.
> >
> > I wonder too what proportion of Hispanic people have ever heard of (or,
> > more to the point, use or pronounce properly) {Latinx}, or object to the
> > existing terminology. What's wrong with the thoroughly established
> > "Hispanic," "Latin" or, if thought necessary, the suggested / lae 'tin/ ?
> > If we're restricting ourselves to spelling, I vote for {Latinex}, like
> > {Latex}. (Much better than {Latin-Ex}. Which group of speakers,
> precisely,
> > insists on "Latinx"?
> >
> > By the way, switching (or compelling people to switch) to "Latinx"
> (however
> > pronounced) will not create a single new job, raise anybody's pay, or do
> > thing one to eliminate racism or sexism or any other plague.
> >
> > It will annoy people. We have proof of that.
> >
> > So if that's the purpose (aka "microaggression"), it's a great choice. It
> > reminds me of those who say that the "correct" name for citizens of the
> > United States is "USers" or "USians," for too obvious reasons. (There are
> > such people.)
> >
> > PS: Consider my tone energetic but not sarcastic.
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 9:43 AM Bethan Tovey-Walsh <accounts at bethan.wales
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Evidently, there’s a large enough group of people who find the term
> useful
> > > and acceptable as a representation of their identity. Telling them
> that the
> > > word they’ve settled on is absurd and unnecessary and has a far more
> > > grammatical alternative is insensitive as well as missing the point.
> It’s
> > > their word. It’s no more good or bad than any other word adapted to
> fill a
> > > need.
> > >
> > > No argument that a word’s spelling is unreasonable can hold much water
> in
> > > English, of all languages. The pronunciations “lateen-ex” or
> “latin-ex” are
> > > both perfectly reasonable. They’re not conventional according to
> English
> > > orthotactic/phonotactic rules; but we settled on ways to pronounce
> “Czech”
> > > and “gateaux” and “shih tzu”, so I think we can do the same with
> “Latinx”.
> > >
> > > Bethan
> > >
> > > ___________________________________________________
> > > Dr. Bethan Tovey-Walsh
> > >
> > > Myfyrwraig PhD | PhD Student CorCenCC
> > > Prifysgol Abertawe | Swansea University
> > >
> > > CV: LinkedIn
> > >
> > > Croeso i chi ysgrifennu ataf yn y Gymraeg.
> > > On 17 Aug 2020, 13:47 +0100, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM
> >,
> > > wrote:
> > > > I heard it on MSNBC yesterday pronounced as "Latin X."
> > > >
> > > > "Latine" is obviously the superior choice, assuming one is even
> > > necessary.
> > > >
> > > > JL
> > > >
> > > > JL
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 8:27 AM Michael Everson <
> everson at evertype.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > It makes absolutely no sense. And is it [laˈtinɛks] or [laˈtiŋks]?
> > > Anyway
> > > > > the obvious third choice given “latino” and “latina” is “latine”
> > > [laˈtine].
> > > > >
> > > > > M
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 14 Aug 2020, at 15:45, Jonathan Lighter <
> wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Huh?
> > > > > >
> > > https://news.yahoo.com/latinx-mostly-unknown-term-even-035021574.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (Ironic "huh?" Of course I'm familiar with it! But this spelling
> is
> > > > > > absurd.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > JL
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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