[Ads-l] Can We Please Stop Using =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=98Latinx=E2=80=99=3F_?=Thanx. | by Kurly Tlapoyawa | Human Parts

[Baker, John]

Well, there is “Latin,” which the OED defines for this purpose as a member of any of the various communities in Europe (France, Italy, Spain, etc.) and Latin America whose language is derived from Latin.  You may have heard of, or perhaps even read, the famous essay from the 1930s, “Latins Are Lousy Lovers.”  But I don’t suppose a catchphrase like that is such as would endear the term to those from Latin America.

In the late 1990s, the president of BankBoston, where I then worked, was from Brazil.  He was quite clear that, although he was Latin, he was not Hispanic.


John Baker

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We don't need "alumnx" because we have "alum." So how about "Lat" for
"Latinx"?

Are those crickets I hear?

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 4:43 PM Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com<mailto:hwgray at gmail.com>> wrote:

> > New thread? ChicanX.
>
> Because Chican at s aren't Latin at s?
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 2:32 PM Peter Reitan <pjreitan at hotmail.com<mailto:pjreitan at hotmail.com>> wrote:
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> > New thread? ChicanX.
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> > > what Mill called the etymological fallacy.
> >
> > A perennial top favorite among language engineers and word-lovers.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 1:55 PM Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu<mailto:laurence.horn at yale.edu>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > With respect to Sali, it should be stressed that (as he notes) the
> point
> > of
> > > the Medium piece linked to is not at all connected with that of the ADS
> > > thread. The former is an objection to the "Latin" part of "Latinx" on
> > > etymological grounds, not to the "x" part, which was the focus of the
> ADS
> > > thread. (Nobody in that thread was discussing attitudes toward "Latino"
> > and
> > > "Latina", just attitudes toward "Latinx".) Indeed, the subhead notes
> the
> > > importance of gender inclusivity. Whether Tlapoyawa's objection to the
> > > "Latin-" forms is well-taken or not depends on your attitude toward
> what
> > > Mill called the etymological fallacy.
> > >
> > > LH
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 12:14 PM Salikoko S. Mufwene <
> mufw at uchicago.edu<mailto:mufw at uchicago.edu>>
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> > >
> > > > I find this Medium article so relevant to the discussion yesterday
> > about
> > > > "Latinx," though its focus is not the same as that on the ADS List.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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