[Ads-l] Happy Þornsday!

[Mark Mandel]

Yes, "X, Y, Z, and per-se *and*". I've known of its place in the alphabet
almost since I could read. My parents had, and I think I've kept it, a
Peter Piper book, with the original rhymes (
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/25027/25027-h/25027-h.htm) and modern, i.e.
ca. 1930's illustrations based on the originals you can see at the link.
But it had an extra page, for *&*, whose rhyme as I recall was not in the
pattern of the others, and which ended

So we have had to print this page on *&*paper.

And they did!

It's not English in origin AFAIK, but rather a Latin ligature for *et*.

MAM
Order of Palindromic and Self-Reflective Initials

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 3:08 PM Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> According to no less a source than an old Ripley's Believe It or Not
> cartoon, "&" was formerly the "twenty-seventh letter of the alphabet."
> (Makes sense when you consider the old form "&c.").
>
> JL
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 2:31 PM Mark Mandel <markamandel at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I don't understand. What about Ƿ & Ᵹ, and "quantity"?
> >
> > MAM
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 9, 2020, 10:18 AM Michael Everson <everson at evertype.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Mark! Thanks for celebrating.
> > >
> > > It is still there. I don’t know how you got the “wynnyogh" transformed
> > > into “quantity” though.
> > >
> > > http://www.evertype.com/standards/wynnyogh/thorn.html
> > >
> > > Michael Everson
> > >
> > > > On 9 Jun 2020, at 12:56, Mark Mandel <markamandel at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Þornsday, 1994-06-09, CEN/TC304 resolved that in a default
> > > multilingual European sort, ÞORN shall be sorted as a separate letter
> > after
> > > Z. Subsequently, ISO/TC37/SC2/WG3 resolved that in its work on
> > alphabetical
> > > ordering, ÞORN shall be sorted as a separate letter after Z. Most
> > recently,
> > > JTC1/SC22/WG20 resolved that in its work of producing a default
> > > multilingual sort for ISO/IEC 10646, ÞORN shall be sorted as a separate
> > > letter after Z.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Copied years ago from
> > > >
> > > > http://www.evertype.com/standards/quantity/thorn.html
> > > > <http://www.evertype.com/standards/wynnyogh/thorn.html>
> > > >
> > > > which is now *404 Not found*.
> > > >
> > > > Mark Mandel
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