[Ads-l] Happy Þornsday!

[Dan Goncharoff]

Is "and per se 'and'" an eggcorn for "ampersand"? Or vice versa?

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020, 3:20 PM Mark Mandel <markamandel at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, "X, Y, Z, and per-se *and*". I've known of its place in the alphabet
> almost since I could read. My parents had, and I think I've kept it, a
> Peter Piper book, with the original rhymes (
> https://www.gutenberg.org/files/25027/25027-h/25027-h.htm) and modern,
> i.e.
> ca. 1930's illustrations based on the originals you can see at the link.
> But it had an extra page, for *&*, whose rhyme as I recall was not in the
> pattern of the others, and which ended
>
> So we have had to print this page on *&*paper.
>
> And they did!
>
> It's not English in origin AFAIK, but rather a Latin ligature for *et*.
>
> MAM
> Order of Palindromic and Self-Reflective Initials
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 3:08 PM Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > According to no less a source than an old Ripley's Believe It or Not
> > cartoon, "&" was formerly the "twenty-seventh letter of the alphabet."
> > (Makes sense when you consider the old form "&c.").
> >
> > JL
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 2:31 PM Mark Mandel <markamandel at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I don't understand. What about Ƿ & Ᵹ, and "quantity"?
> > >
> > > MAM
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2020, 10:18 AM Michael Everson <everson at evertype.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Mark! Thanks for celebrating.
> > > >
> > > > It is still there. I don’t know how you got the “wynnyogh"
> transformed
> > > > into “quantity” though.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.evertype.com/standards/wynnyogh/thorn.html
> > > >
> > > > Michael Everson
> > > >
> > > > > On 9 Jun 2020, at 12:56, Mark Mandel <markamandel at GMAIL.COM>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Þornsday, 1994-06-09, CEN/TC304 resolved that in a default
> > > > multilingual European sort, ÞORN shall be sorted as a separate letter
> > > after
> > > > Z. Subsequently, ISO/TC37/SC2/WG3 resolved that in its work on
> > > alphabetical
> > > > ordering, ÞORN shall be sorted as a separate letter after Z. Most
> > > recently,
> > > > JTC1/SC22/WG20 resolved that in its work of producing a default
> > > > multilingual sort for ISO/IEC 10646, ÞORN shall be sorted as a
> separate
> > > > letter after Z.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Copied years ago from
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.evertype.com/standards/quantity/thorn.html
> > > > > <http://www.evertype.com/standards/wynnyogh/thorn.html>
> > > > >
> > > > > which is now *404 Not found*.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark Mandel
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