[Ads-l] jive 1925 (antedate?)

Wilson Gray hwgray at GMAIL.COM
Fri Oct 16 03:10:38 EDT 2020


> sounds perfectly normal

Not to me, though. Just kidding! In fact, though, that - and this - use of
_though_ sound completely ordinary to me, too. The distinction, though.

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 9:26 AM Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Stephen, I haven't checked, but a 1925 "collar" (understand) strikes me as
> an antedating. "Collar the jive" was a set phrase in the '30s and '40s.
>
> Wilson, unless I don't collar your drift, final position "though" sounds
> perfectly normal and multiethnic to me.
>
> JL
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 8:26 AM Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > And listen, folks just collar the new gown jive that the
> > honest-to-goodness tea          > drinkers sprung on you _though_.
> >
> > This use of _though_ has been re-hipped, being very common in, e.g.
> > BlackPeopleTwitter. What is old is new, again, though.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 8:58 AM Stephen Goranson <goranson at duke.edu>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Inter-State Tattler [NY, NY; AmHistN] Friday, March 13, 1925 p. 11 col.
> > 1.
> > > Baltimore MD., A. Mole, Contributor.
> > >
> > > And listen, folks just collar the new gown jive that the
> > > honest-to-goodness tea drinkers sprung on you though.
> > >
> > > [The word "that" is partly covered but appears probable.]
> > > [If relevant:]
> > > ....Martha M. even had some new tight-fitting frock on....
> > >
> > > Stephen Goranson
> > >
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-- 
-Wilson
-----
All say, "How hard it is that we have to die!"---a strange complaint to
come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
-Mark Twain

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