[Ads-l] jive 1925 (antedate?)

Laurence Horn laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
Thu Oct 15 10:06:40 EDT 2020


> On Oct 15, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
> Stephen, I haven't checked, but a 1925 "collar" (understand) strikes me as
> an antedating. "Collar the jive" was a set phrase in the '30s and '40s.
> 
> Wilson, unless I don't collar your drift, final position "though" sounds
> perfectly normal and multiethnic to me.
> 
> JL

If I’m not mistaken, utterance-final “though”, often transcribed “doe” and not functioning as an adversative,, as in “That hair, doe” or “What up, though” (examples from urbandictionary) is “trending”—if it hasn’t already stopped doing so—and did originate in Black English.  Ben, is there “Among the New Words” data on this?

LH
> 
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 8:26 AM Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>> And listen, folks just collar the new gown jive that the
>> honest-to-goodness tea          > drinkers sprung on you _though_.
>> 
>> This use of _though_ has been re-hipped, being very common in, e.g.
>> BlackPeopleTwitter. What is old is new, again, though.
>> 
>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 8:58 AM Stephen Goranson <goranson at duke.edu>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Inter-State Tattler [NY, NY; AmHistN] Friday, March 13, 1925 p. 11 col.
>> 1.
>>> Baltimore MD., A. Mole, Contributor.
>>> 
>>> And listen, folks just collar the new gown jive that the
>>> honest-to-goodness tea drinkers sprung on you though.
>>> 
>>> [The word "that" is partly covered but appears probable.]
>>> [If relevant:]
>>> ....Martha M. even had some new tight-fitting frock on....
>>> 
>>> Stephen Goranson
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>> 
>> --
>> -Wilson
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>> All say, "How hard it is that we have to die!"---a strange complaint to
>> come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
>> -Mark Twain
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