[Ads-l] pull(ing) (off) a PN (Ty Cobb) stunt

[Stephen Goranson]

No problem, James Eric Lawson, and (again) thanks for your quotations. As I also wrote, the origin of “pull your (or my, etc.) leg” is not yet completely clear to me, but I’m guessing at sea.
And, that’s pull a (one) leg, not legs (plural), as in some gallows talk.
Stephen
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About "pull somebody's leg", my research into the origin was
inconclusive at best, and muddied the waters considerably. I couldn't as
easily discount the "hangers-on" (hanging) theory as I'd thought I could
before beginning the research. I thought I said that when I shared the
research.

Neither could I (pace) substantiate a nautical origin. For example, see
the 1867 "The sailor's word-book : an alphabetical digest of nautical
terms, including some more especially military and scientific ... as
well as archaisms of early voyagers, etc", at

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://archive.org/details/sailorswordbook00smytgoog/page/n687/mode/2up__;!!OToaGQ!9E7IqyNhUxsbztPANyGm2xTT7nJghPHbg1G6BBu54xEzsuZLQ8HSvF7Y6g6MNSaa$

The book confirms use among mariners prior to 1867 of 'stretcher' in the
sense of an elaborate falsehood:

STRETCHERS. Narrow pieces of wood placed athwart the bottom of a
boat for the rowers to place their feet against that they may
communicate greater effort to their oars. Also, cross-pieces placed
between a boat's sides to keep them apart when hoisted up and gripped.
Colloquially, a stretcher means a lie exaggerated to absurdity.

The sense of "getting it on a stretch" as relates to "pulling a leg" in
Arctic Miscellany is unclear to me, and checking prior uses of "on a
stretch" revealed no obvious connection with "pulling a leg". Nautical
uses are largely literal ("on a device to stretch it" or "while
stretching it"). The few figurative uses of "on a stretch" seemed to
have no semantic connection to "pull somebody's leg" beyond the common
sense of extension, in the former, and exaggeration, in the latter.

My failure to make a conceptual connection between "pull a leg" and the
'stretchers' in a rowed boat may be an artifact of ignorance: my
experience of rowing involved pulling the oars against the water, which
in turn involved pushing my feet against the 'stretchers' for better
purchase; if instead I pushed the oars against the water, the stretcher
I used for purchase would have pulled my legs.

On 2/10/21 12:48 AM, Stephen Goranson wrote:
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> b) On "pull someone's leg," I suppose it has not yet been fully explained. Thanks, James Eric, but (pace) I currently do think it came from mariner use, and I don't think it came from execution by hanging, which is so remote from (OED's) "to deceive a person humorously or playfully; to tease a person."
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> Stephen
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> 15 Mar 1901 Baltimore Sun p 7 col 3
> "For the 29 Archers to practice a William Tell stunt there are 8 apples, and in case any of their engines of war are broken in stretching the long stave too far there are a couple of bows in the Directory who can be used in an emergency."
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> 03 Jan 1907 Washington DC Evening Star p 16 col 1
> "Will Try the Houdini Stunt" [headline]
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> Are you interested only in forms "[PN] stunt"?  (I assume that is "Personal Name") Or the broader use of a person's name to refer to a specific action?
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> 20 Jul 1901 Butte MT Daily Post p 6 col 3
> "With a splash and a gurgle, the disciple of Bachus did a sudden "Brodie" into the murky element  . . ."
>   [Steve Brodie supposedly jumped off the Brooklyn Bridge in 1886]
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> [14 Jun 1909] ....Cruikshank pulled off a Ty Cobb stunt. The first man up in the ninth hit a short fly to right, Cruikshank rushed in in time to grab the ball and throw the runner out at first. The Courier, Waterloo Iowa 2/5]
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> Lots of later (and maybe earlier) "Ty Cobb stunt" usages.
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> Was Ty Cobb the earliest PN for such trademark stunts?
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> Stephen
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