[Ads-l] "short-bus people"

Thu May 20 14:43:20 UTC 2021

We walked too - or took the city bus. As a result our few school buses were
all small (now that I think of it), about like a modern SUV. But I'd never
think of calling them "short" (too weird).

JL

On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 10:04 AM Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
wrote:

> I wonder if this “short dog” for ‘short bus’ is related to “riding the
> dog” for taking the Greyhound (or by extension another long-distance bus.
> I wonder how old that is; I looked for “dog” = ‘(Greyhound) bus’ in Jon’s
> extensive (three-page) entry for “dog”, which has lemmas for everything
> from penises and D grades and of course homely or lazy people, to worthless
> horses and venereal diseases, but didn’t see any relevant glosses, but I
> might have missed the bus.
>
> As far as my own familiarity—like Jon, elementary school in NYC in the
> ‘50s and no familiarity with the expression until I read reviews of the
> aforementioned movie “Shortbus” came out that explained the reference.
>
> LH
>
>
> > On May 20, 2021, at 9:30 AM, ADSGarson O'Toole <
> adsgarsonotoole at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> >
> > I vaguely remembered hearing about a short story that referred to a
> > short bus as a short dog. Eventually, my memory was coaxed into
> > revealing the name of the famous story which used "short dog" in the
> > title. A bibliography for James Still, the author of the tale,
> > indicated that the story was first published in 1951.
> >
> > Short story title: A Ride on the Short Dog
> > Author: James Still
> > [Begin excerpt]
> > The vehicle was scarcely half the length of regular buses—The Short
> > Dog everybody called it.
> > [End excerpt]
> >
> > http://faculty.csupueblo.edu/sandy.hudock/biblio.html
> > A James Still Bibliography
> > "A Ride on the Short Dog." Atlantic 188, no. 1 (July 1951):55-58.
> >
> > Garson
> >
> > On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 11:04 PM Peter Reitan <pjreitan at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Pretty certain we had a short bus for special ed students in my small,
> rural hometown that dozens of regular sized busses coming in from the
> country in the 1960s.
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> >>
> >> The 2006 edition of Partridge has "ride the short bus" with a first
> >> citation in 1995. Further below is a December 1994 citation.
> >>
> >> Year: 2006
> >> Book: The New Partridge Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English,
> >> Volume 2: J-Z,
> >> Editors: Tom Dalzell and Terry Victor,
> >> Publisher: Routledge: Taylor and Francis Group, New York.
> >> Entry: ride the short bus,
> >> Quote Page 1615
> >>
> >> [Begin excerpt]
> >> ride the short bus
> >> to be mentally deficient US
> >> From the literally short bus that special education students use in the
> US.
> >>
> >> Actually, I think our bass player, Frank [Cavanaugh], rode the short
> >> bus, but that was 'cause his mom drove it =E2=80=94 Baltimore sun, p.
> 8, 28=
> >> th
> >> September 1995
> >>
> >> =E2=80=94Chris Lewis, The Dictionary of Playground Slang p 184, 2003
> >> [End excerpt]
> >>
> >> Date: December 31, 1994
> >> Newspaper: The Leader-Post
> >> Newspaper Location: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
> >> Article: 'Tak a cup o' kindness for auld lang syne'
> >> Author: Ron Petrie
> >> Quote Page A3, Column 4
> >> Database: Newspapers.com
> >>
> >> [Begin excerpt]
> >> When you're a Scottish laddie on your first day of school and you ask
> >> permission go to the bathroom -- "Kin ye lit me oot? I mus' gae my wee
> >> nip a tinkle!" -- the teacher immediately brings in a speech
> >> pathologist. "Special" is what the pathologist calls you -- "Special
> >> Ronnie" -- but deep down you know that soon you'll be riding the short
> >> bus to school.
> >> [End excerpt]
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 8:31 PM Jonathan Lighter <
> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com> w=
> >> rote:
> >>>
> >>> Live and learn. Thanks.
> >>>
> >>> I believe that was the practice even when I was in elementary school,
> but
> >>> I've never heard the term "short bus."
> >>>
> >>> JL
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 8:18 PM James Eric Lawson <jel at nventure.com>
> wrot=
> >> e:
> >>>
> >>>> Derived from the practice of using short(er) school buses to transport
> >>>> students with 'special needs'.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 5/19/21 3:55 PM, Jonathan Lighter wrote:
> >>>>> What th' -- ?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> https://www.yahoo.com/news/qanon-shaman-lawyer-makes-offensive-21443590=
> >> 3.html
> >>>>
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