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[Laurence Horn]

Oops, as Betty Birner just pointed out to me offline, I'd misparsed Geoff's
original example.  I actually share Jon's intuition--there's no problem in
Geoff's example for me because it really *does* involve swapping OLD (the
red meat) for NEW (the salmon), so swapping out, not swapping in.  The
example I posted from A Man Called Ove, "Every winter he drags down an old
diesel generator that he swapped at a rummage sale for a gramophone",
involves swapping NEW (the diesel generator) for OLD (the gramophone), and
so is swapping in.  Either way, keeping the particles would help.

LH

On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:51 AM Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
wrote:

> I'd come across earlier cases of SWAP IN [NEW] for [OLD] as well as cases
> of SWAP OUT [OLD] for [NEW]. What's weird here (for me, and I take it for
> Geoff) is that SWAP X for Y, without the particle, behaves like "swap in",
> instead of like "swap out". I can swap my baseball card for yours (or I
> could have 50 years ago), but I couldn't swap yours for mine, only you
> could.
>
> LH
>
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:31 AM Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> OK. I've got a hamburger. You've got a flying fish. For some reason, I
>> swap
>> my hamburger for your flying fish. Makes perfect sense to me.
>>
>> Similarly, I eat hamburgers daily. You want me to eat flying fish daily.
>> You want me to swap my burger habit for a flying fish habit.
>>
>> JL
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:22 AM Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Sounds like a cross between a salmon and a flying fish. Caveat emptor.
>> >
>> > Otherwise, "swap red meat for seafood" sounds right to me. But at this
>> > point, who knows?
>> >
>> > JL
>> >
>> > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 9:44 AM Geoffrey Nathan <geoffnathan at wayne.edu>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> My Facebook feed is infested with an ad from the Wild Alaskan Company.
>> >>
>> >> Air-flown fresh-caught salmon. Their video boasts:
>> >>
>> >> 3 Easy Ways to Swap Red Meat for Seafood
>> >>
>> >> Which (in my dialect) is not what they're advertising.
>> >>
>> >> Geoffrey S. Nathan
>> >> WSU Information Privacy Officer (Retired)
>> >> Emeritus Professor, Linguistics Program
>> >> https://clasprofiles.wayne.edu/profile/an6993
>> >> geoffnathan at wayne.edu
>> >>
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