[Ads-l] Source-Goal Confusion online

[Jonathan Lighter]

I calls 'em like I sees 'em.

Like Larry, I sees the rummage sale ex. as just plain weird - possibly
weirder even than positive "anymore."

JL

On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:58 AM Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
wrote:

> Oops, as Betty Birner just pointed out to me offline, I'd misparsed Geoff's
> original example.  I actually share Jon's intuition--there's no problem in
> Geoff's example for me because it really *does* involve swapping OLD (the
> red meat) for NEW (the salmon), so swapping out, not swapping in.  The
> example I posted from A Man Called Ove, "Every winter he drags down an old
> diesel generator that he swapped at a rummage sale for a gramophone",
> involves swapping NEW (the diesel generator) for OLD (the gramophone), and
> so is swapping in.  Either way, keeping the particles would help.
>
> LH
>
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:51 AM Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > I'd come across earlier cases of SWAP IN [NEW] for [OLD] as well as cases
> > of SWAP OUT [OLD] for [NEW]. What's weird here (for me, and I take it for
> > Geoff) is that SWAP X for Y, without the particle, behaves like "swap
> in",
> > instead of like "swap out". I can swap my baseball card for yours (or I
> > could have 50 years ago), but I couldn't swap yours for mine, only you
> > could.
> >
> > LH
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:31 AM Jonathan Lighter <
> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> OK. I've got a hamburger. You've got a flying fish. For some reason, I
> >> swap
> >> my hamburger for your flying fish. Makes perfect sense to me.
> >>
> >> Similarly, I eat hamburgers daily. You want me to eat flying fish daily.
> >> You want me to swap my burger habit for a flying fish habit.
> >>
> >> JL
> >>
> >> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:22 AM Jonathan Lighter <
> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com
> >> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Sounds like a cross between a salmon and a flying fish. Caveat emptor.
> >> >
> >> > Otherwise, "swap red meat for seafood" sounds right to me. But at this
> >> > point, who knows?
> >> >
> >> > JL
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 9:44 AM Geoffrey Nathan <
> geoffnathan at wayne.edu>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> My Facebook feed is infested with an ad from the Wild Alaskan
> Company.
> >> >>
> >> >> Air-flown fresh-caught salmon. Their video boasts:
> >> >>
> >> >> 3 Easy Ways to Swap Red Meat for Seafood
> >> >>
> >> >> Which (in my dialect) is not what they're advertising.
> >> >>
> >> >> Geoffrey S. Nathan
> >> >> WSU Information Privacy Officer (Retired)
> >> >> Emeritus Professor, Linguistics Program
> >> >> https://clasprofiles.wayne.edu/profile/an6993
> >> >> geoffnathan at wayne.edu
> >> >>
> >> >>
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