[Ads-l] Personal pronouns modified with relative clauses

[Chris Waigl]

... and he who must not be named.

I don't really feel it as ungrammatical at all, just stylistically marked
as heightened in drama. (Which may be the thing about DJT.) I might say
something like "I, who have always paid my taxes on time, get accused of
financial shenanigans?" . I agree that the biblical ones are restrictive
and these here (DJT, Voldemort, me) are non-restrictive.

On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 9:49 PM Margaret Winters <mewinters at wayne.edu> wrote:

> There is also ‘she who must be obeyed’.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> MARGARET E WINTERS
> Former Provost and Professor Emerita French and Linguistics
> Wayne State University
> Detroit, MI  48202
>
> mewinters at wayne.edu
>
> On Jun 5, 2023, at 4:32 PM, Barretts Mail <mail.barretts at gmail.com> wrote:
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> [EXTERNAL]
>
> Thank you for that example. I also thought of a couple of examples as I
> was writing my email. For some reason “me, who did nothing wrong” sounds
> ungrammatical to me, maybe because it’s restrictive. Not sure. BB
>
> On Jun 5, 2023, at 15:30, Chris Waigl <chris at LASCRIBE.NET> wrote:
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> I don't know. May he who is without sin throw the first stone.
>
> Chris
> (jokingly)
>
> On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 2:09 PM Barretts Mail <mail.barretts at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> My recollection is that one of the reasons some people doubt that Japanese
> “pronouns” are actually pronouns is that they can take relative clauses,
> and that in languages like English, they cannot. To invent an example in
> both languages:
>
> スーパにいた僕を見た。(suupa-ni ita boku-wo mita)
> * (somebody) saw me who was in the grocery store.
>
> Today I saw an article in which former President Donald Trump violates
> this rule. Here is that article and another quote. Is this idiolect or
> dialect?
>
>
>
> https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-asks-can-doj-charge-lawyers-meet-feds-rcna87770
> Dareh Gregorian
> 5 Jun 2023
> ###
> "How can DOJ possibly charge me, who did nothing wrong, when no other
> president's were charged," Trump wrote on Truth Social in an all-caps post.
> ###
>
>
>
> https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/26/politics/donald-trump-press-conference-analysis/index.html
> Chris Cillizza
> 26 Sep 2018
> ###
> “I’ve been accused … by four or five women, who got paid a lot of money to
> make up stories about me who made a lot of money,” Trump said.
> ###
>
> Benjamin Barrett (he/his/him)
> Formerly of Seattle, WA
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