[Ads-l] Personal pronouns modified with relative clauses

[Margaret Winters]

There is also ‘she who must be obeyed’.

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MARGARET E WINTERS
Former Provost and Professor Emerita French and Linguistics
Wayne State University
Detroit, MI  48202

mewinters at wayne.edu

On Jun 5, 2023, at 4:32 PM, Barretts Mail <mail.barretts at gmail.com> wrote:

[EXTERNAL]

Thank you for that example. I also thought of a couple of examples as I was writing my email. For some reason “me, who did nothing wrong” sounds ungrammatical to me, maybe because it’s restrictive. Not sure. BB

On Jun 5, 2023, at 15:30, Chris Waigl <chris at LASCRIBE.NET> wrote:

I don't know. May he who is without sin throw the first stone.

Chris
(jokingly)

On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 2:09 PM Barretts Mail <mail.barretts at gmail.com>
wrote:

My recollection is that one of the reasons some people doubt that Japanese
“pronouns” are actually pronouns is that they can take relative clauses,
and that in languages like English, they cannot. To invent an example in
both languages:

スーパにいた僕を見た。(suupa-ni ita boku-wo mita)
* (somebody) saw me who was in the grocery store.

Today I saw an article in which former President Donald Trump violates
this rule. Here is that article and another quote. Is this idiolect or
dialect?


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-asks-can-doj-charge-lawyers-meet-feds-rcna87770
Dareh Gregorian
5 Jun 2023
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"How can DOJ possibly charge me, who did nothing wrong, when no other
president's were charged," Trump wrote on Truth Social in an all-caps post.
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/26/politics/donald-trump-press-conference-analysis/index.html
Chris Cillizza
26 Sep 2018
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“I’ve been accused … by four or five women, who got paid a lot of money to
make up stories about me who made a lot of money,” Trump said.
###

Benjamin Barrett (he/his/him)
Formerly of Seattle, WA

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